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I do think managers trying to force people back to the office are tyrants. I maybe was a bit callous/harsh with what I said about RTO people. But you're making

I do think managers trying to force people back to the office are tyrants. I maybe was a bit callous/harsh with what I said about RTO people. But you're making the point I was trying to communicate. You know you prefer an office you can go to, and you don't like going days without seeing/talking to another human. That suicidal feeling you mentioned when you go too long without human contact? There is an inverse to that, where people like me feel burnt out, depressed, and "done" after too much (or sometimes even just a little) people time. The people who want to return to an office should be allowed to, and should have a place to go. There are enough people who prefer working in an office that you'll get your human contact, and the people who want to be at home without all the people interaction should be given that option as well. But the frustration you feel at the way I framed RTO people is the same frustration I feel when this sensible compromise is proposed, but isn't good enough for the RTO types. You prefer being around people throughout the week, I do not. There's room for both to work, but dictating I have to come to an office because you like seeing people is where the frustration comes from.

helboi4 3y ago
Bro even people like me don't turn up to the office if there aren't mandatory days cos nobody can be arsed to go to an office where there's noone there and they haven't built a relationship with their colleagues anyway. It doesn't fulfil the needs I have if it's not a social activity. I think there should be remote jobs and hybrid jobs and you should just choose to work somewhere remote and I should choose somewhere hybrid.
- quickslowdown 3y ago
  Agreed, to your last sentence. The problem is when a company goes remote during covid, advertises permissions as "remote," then rug pulls everyone randomly demanding "just 1 day a week," and then 2. I don't give an inch on this issue because it's taken a mile. But I do agree that if you are hired somewhere that says it's remote or hybrid, you should be able to expect the job to match what it was described as. And in your case, you could find a hybrid job where people actually go in a couple times a week. That's really all either of us want. If companies would stop playing games, we probably wouldn't have even had this discussion!

helboi4 3y ago

Bro even people like me don't turn up to the office if there aren't mandatory days cos nobody can be arsed to go to an office where there's noone there and they haven't built a relationship with their colleagues anyway. It doesn't fulfil the needs I have if it's not a social activity. I think there should be remote jobs and hybrid jobs and you should just choose to work somewhere remote and I should choose somewhere hybrid.

quickslowdown 3y ago
Agreed, to your last sentence. The problem is when a company goes remote during covid, advertises permissions as "remote," then rug pulls everyone randomly demanding "just 1 day a week," and then 2. I don't give an inch on this issue because it's taken a mile. But I do agree that if you are hired somewhere that says it's remote or hybrid, you should be able to expect the job to match what it was described as. And in your case, you could find a hybrid job where people actually go in a couple times a week. That's really all either of us want. If companies would stop playing games, we probably wouldn't have even had this discussion!