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> The only human element of an AI song is the prompt and not the output. I'd argue against that. A lot of "serious" AI art isn't just throw a prompt and you're

by atrus 3y ago

> The only human element of an AI song is the prompt and not the output. I'd argue against that. A lot of "serious" AI art isn't just throw a prompt and you're done. There's additional editing on top of that (of course content aware fill isn't AI because...reasons). And even then, have you seen prompts for really good stuff? Those are def not one shot things, and are a creative process in itself. It's annoying honestly, since I'm rarely ever able to get images that are as good as I've seen.

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zigzaggy 3y ago
Reminds me of the debate at my university when I tried to declare my computer as my "instrument." "That's not REAL music." I changed schools, eventually changed majors.. but now the place that rejected my computer now has a "music technology" degree. editing to say that music that wasn't real went on to be a massive genre - hard to put "creativity / art" in a box.
beezlebroxxxxxx 3y ago
I was talking about an AI song where you say "give me a Wu-Tang Clan song in the style of Elvis Presley using steel drums". You brought up AI visual art, and used the word "editing" to describe what happens after the image is generated from the prompt. I think that's a very important distinction --- between creating an image or work of art by your own hand (yes even in something like Illustrator or digital art tools because people like to erroneously conflate those with AI image generation) and editing the output of an AI model. I would argue the same happens in a DAW with an AI song. > And even then, have you seen prompts for really good stuff? Those are def not one shot things, and are a creative process in itself. It's annoying honestly, since I'm rarely ever able to get images that are as good as I've seen. I have, hence why the prompts are the human and actually artistic part of AI art. You need to be creative to actually create a prompt that uses AI model well and skillfully. They honestly read like bizarre modernist or formalist poetry.

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zigzaggy 3y ago

Reminds me of the debate at my university when I tried to declare my computer as my "instrument." "That's not REAL music." I changed schools, eventually changed majors.. but now the place that rejected my computer now has a "music technology" degree. editing to say that music that wasn't real went on to be a massive genre - hard to put "creativity / art" in a box.

beezlebroxxxxxx 3y ago

I was talking about an AI song where you say "give me a Wu-Tang Clan song in the style of Elvis Presley using steel drums". You brought up AI visual art, and used the word "editing" to describe what happens after the image is generated from the prompt. I think that's a very important distinction --- between creating an image or work of art by your own hand (yes even in something like Illustrator or digital art tools because people like to erroneously conflate those with AI image generation) and editing the output of an AI model. I would argue the same happens in a DAW with an AI song. > And even then, have you seen prompts for really good stuff? Those are def not one shot things, and are a creative process in itself. It's annoying honestly, since I'm rarely ever able to get images that are as good as I've seen. I have, hence why the prompts are the human and actually artistic part of AI art. You need to be creative to actually create a prompt that uses AI model well and skillfully. They honestly read like bizarre modernist or formalist poetry.