> I do agree with you that “faith” is often defined in this way, but it is absolutely not the definition we are discussing. Well yeah, because it's in the Bibl

> I do agree with you that “faith” is often defined in this way, but it is absolutely not the definition we are discussing. Well yeah, because it's in the Bible that way, and a lot of the people you're talking about are Christian. It's fine for people to have different definitions of things as long as they agree when arguing. But just as I'm not talking about your definition of faith when you say 'faith', you're not talking about my definition of 'faith' when you say 'faith'. If you want to talk about 'belief absent evidence', I agree that's a bad thing, so there's probably no argument there. Furthermore, I think the vast majority of religious people think they do have evidence for their belief and don't agree that they have 'belief absent evidence'. Perhaps they're using the word wrong, but that's not a real area of disagreement.