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Point 1: ">There is actually quite a lot of evidence of God. There are many books, works, ancient religious structures, etc. which provides that evidence. It's

Point 1: ">There is actually quite a lot of evidence of God. There are many books, works, ancient religious structures, etc. which provides that evidence. It's the same evidence as there is evidence for ancient Sumerians. " This is a false equivalency. We know the Sumerians existed both because of their writings and other physical artifacts. However, if none of these were present today, that doesn't mean the Sumerians didn't exist. Similarly, just because there are words describing a god, and they came from a previous society, does not mean their god exists. Most people can agree on solid evidence or at least are willing to compromise/determine standards of evidence in order to agree with others. Point 2: "Many of even atheists don't live as if there is not a moral tally over their lives. They don't live as if their lives were truly meaningless" Human history and evolution in general show that altruism helps promote species' growth. Morals are codified behaviors that generally (not always!!) promote the growth of a human society. It is evolutionary-negative to end other members of your own species, so those traits are heavily selected against. Bottom line, people are naturally good because that's what gets humans reproducing. No god needed

aprilthird2021 3y ago
> Bottom line, people are naturally good because that's what gets humans reproducing. No god needed This flies in the face of survival of the fittest, species fitness, and all sorts of other evolutionary ideas. There is also lots of evidence that humans are not naturally good and that this does not get humans reproducing. The most reproducing man in history, Genghis Khan was not very good at all. It also skirted around the other point that atheists do not live their lives as if they were meaningless, which they purport to believe.
- r2_pilot 3y ago
  >"This flies in the face of survival of the fittest, species fitness, and all sorts of other evolutionary ideas." For the counterexample, see pack animals and their dynamics. Re: Genghis, certainly force has a way of making exceptions to generalities, but in the average case the good guy gets the girl, holds down the stable, well-paying job in a socially adjusted manner, and thus the genes get spread. >"It also skirted around the other point that atheists do not live their lives as if they were meaningless, which they purport to believe." My life is meaningful to me and that's all I personally care about, I don't care that you think everyone of a particular lack of belief has to have a particular mental state associated with that arbitrary tag.

aprilthird2021 3y ago

> Bottom line, people are naturally good because that's what gets humans reproducing. No god needed This flies in the face of survival of the fittest, species fitness, and all sorts of other evolutionary ideas. There is also lots of evidence that humans are not naturally good and that this does not get humans reproducing. The most reproducing man in history, Genghis Khan was not very good at all. It also skirted around the other point that atheists do not live their lives as if they were meaningless, which they purport to believe.

r2_pilot 3y ago
>"This flies in the face of survival of the fittest, species fitness, and all sorts of other evolutionary ideas." For the counterexample, see pack animals and their dynamics. Re: Genghis, certainly force has a way of making exceptions to generalities, but in the average case the good guy gets the girl, holds down the stable, well-paying job in a socially adjusted manner, and thus the genes get spread. >"It also skirted around the other point that atheists do not live their lives as if they were meaningless, which they purport to believe." My life is meaningful to me and that's all I personally care about, I don't care that you think everyone of a particular lack of belief has to have a particular mental state associated with that arbitrary tag.