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It's not the terminology per se that is the issue, but insisting on correcting everyone who uses it. In the minds of everyone who is not in the group that make

It's not the terminology per se that is the issue, but insisting on correcting everyone who uses it. In the minds of everyone who is not in the group that makes that distinction it sounds like you're trying to justify something. It's essentially identical to the argument college kids make to me all the time: "I'm not stealing anything, I'm pirating it." Of course you are, but if I explained this issue to, say, a Senator, they would say it's stealing. At that point, yes, correct said Senator, then you're in a real discussion about a real issue. Swooping in and correcting some guy who casually uses the term "stealing" on an Internet form just grates on me because you sound like those college kids trying to justify themselves.

moe 14y ago
but insisting on correcting everyone who uses it. We correct you because you're using misleading terminology, as cryptoz explained. Language matters and it's hard to have a useful discussion when either side keeps on falling back to prejudiced terminology.
- freehunter 14y ago
  To take it to an extreme, it's like saying you murdered someone when you ran a red light and hit their car. Yes, they died, but you're only really guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Manslaughter gets you 5-10 years, murder gets you life. Two sides of the same coin, maybe, but wildly differing laws, punishment, and intent. Stealing and pirating are both taking something that is not rightfully yours, but they are barely in the same category of crime.
  - Drbble 14y ago
    Pirating is sharing something not rightfully yours, not taking. Making and circulating copies is illegal, not receiving copies.
bbrtyth 14y ago
And in the minds of everyone in the group, you are trying to tar a number of people with the same brush. It grates on us that you write like you don't understand it's a civil case. But you are more important than everyone else, so let's use your method.
- stinkytaco 14y ago
  I know you're right. I know the term isn't "stealing" and that it's incorrect to use that term (and you'll notice that I didn't). But it's not me you have to convince. You have to convince everyone who doesn't understand the subtleties and swooping in to correct casual usage is not going to help you convince anyone, it's going to make you look annoying. It's as if you correct everyone who uses the term "soccer" by saying "It's actually 'football'" or correcting everyone who conflates a alligator and a crocodile in casual conversation. In the end people will just ignore you.
  - bbrtyth 14y ago
    I disagree, since both soccer and football are correct terms. It's more like calling it basketball (they are both ball sports, right?), so the correction is warranted. I am not "swooping in," I noticed your comment and decided to remark that your terminology is incorrect. I did this because by referring to it as stealing you are taking part in the rhetoric that supports such acts as PIPA and SOPA.

moe 14y ago

but insisting on correcting everyone who uses it. We correct you because you're using misleading terminology, as cryptoz explained. Language matters and it's hard to have a useful discussion when either side keeps on falling back to prejudiced terminology.

freehunter 14y ago
To take it to an extreme, it's like saying you murdered someone when you ran a red light and hit their car. Yes, they died, but you're only really guilty of involuntary manslaughter. Manslaughter gets you 5-10 years, murder gets you life. Two sides of the same coin, maybe, but wildly differing laws, punishment, and intent. Stealing and pirating are both taking something that is not rightfully yours, but they are barely in the same category of crime.
- Drbble 14y ago
  Pirating is sharing something not rightfully yours, not taking. Making and circulating copies is illegal, not receiving copies.

bbrtyth 14y ago

And in the minds of everyone in the group, you are trying to tar a number of people with the same brush. It grates on us that you write like you don't understand it's a civil case. But you are more important than everyone else, so let's use your method.

stinkytaco 14y ago
I know you're right. I know the term isn't "stealing" and that it's incorrect to use that term (and you'll notice that I didn't). But it's not me you have to convince. You have to convince everyone who doesn't understand the subtleties and swooping in to correct casual usage is not going to help you convince anyone, it's going to make you look annoying. It's as if you correct everyone who uses the term "soccer" by saying "It's actually 'football'" or correcting everyone who conflates a alligator and a crocodile in casual conversation. In the end people will just ignore you.
- bbrtyth 14y ago
  I disagree, since both soccer and football are correct terms. It's more like calling it basketball (they are both ball sports, right?), so the correction is warranted. I am not "swooping in," I noticed your comment and decided to remark that your terminology is incorrect. I did this because by referring to it as stealing you are taking part in the rhetoric that supports such acts as PIPA and SOPA.