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Yeah, it is basically always is a bit pointless without context. Same with e.g. Paris. Paris itself is "tiny". But Île-de-France (the Paris region) has over 12

Yeah, it is basically always is a bit pointless without context. Same with e.g. Paris. Paris itself is "tiny". But Île-de-France (the Paris region) has over 12 million people.

walthamstow 3y ago
Another one: just 7000 people live in the City of London
- Ekaros 3y ago
  And Vatican has population of 524... With Rome's metropolitan area being 4,3 million... But maybe that is stupid comparison.
  - kirubakaran 3y ago
    Vatican also has 5.9 Popes per square mile, highest in the world
- myrmidon 3y ago
  This is disingenuous; "City of London" is a tiny, central district of London. It is most emphatically NOT "London, the city", in exactly the same way that Civic center is not the city of San Francisco. It's just confusingly named.
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  - walthamstow 3y ago
    There is no other definition of London, the city. There's the Greater London region, which is 9m people, but that's it. Parliament, for example, is in the City of Westminster, one of 32 boroughs which (+ the City) make up Greater London.
    - notatoad 3y ago
      When normal people talk about a city, they're talking about an urban area under the jurisdiction of a mayor and city council. that's exactly what "greater london" is, so when people talk about a city called London it's safe to assume they mean the 32 boroughs. "the city of london" is just a confusingly named area inside a city called "London", it's not a city.
      - kersplody 3y ago
        It's more of a city state encircled by greater London. The City of London has a separate government and rights that predate England, inclusive of the right to opt out of any parliamentary law or ignore the mayor of Greater London. The City of London even considered remaining in the EU after the brexit vote, but it wasn't logistically feasible.
      - walthamstow 3y ago
        > When normal people talk about a city, they're talking about an urban area under the jurisdiction of a mayor and city council. Normal people where? London has only had a mayor since 2000. Each borough has its own council, there is no London council. You don't know what you're talking about and you're projecting (North) American ideas onto other countries. > so when people talk about a city called London it's safe to assume they mean the 32 boroughs. Except it's not. Colloquially, some borough are not considered to be in London. Bromley, for example.
- thaumasiotes 3y ago
  That's not an example; you're just taking advantage of your hapless interlocutor's assumption that you're speaking English. The City of London and the city of London are distinct legal entities.
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mtalantikite 3y ago
Sure, but Paris is also one of the most densely populated cities in the world, so Paris proper feels large even though it's only, what, 2 million people or so?

Yeah, it is basically always is a bit pointless without context. Same with e.g. Paris. Paris itself is "tiny". But Île-de-France (the Paris region) has over 12 million people.

walthamstow 3y ago

Another one: just 7000 people live in the City of London

Ekaros 3y ago
And Vatican has population of 524... With Rome's metropolitan area being 4,3 million... But maybe that is stupid comparison.
- kirubakaran 3y ago
  Vatican also has 5.9 Popes per square mile, highest in the world
myrmidon 3y ago
This is disingenuous; "City of London" is a tiny, central district of London. It is most emphatically NOT "London, the city", in exactly the same way that Civic center is not the city of San Francisco. It's just confusingly named.
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- walthamstow 3y ago
  There is no other definition of London, the city. There's the Greater London region, which is 9m people, but that's it. Parliament, for example, is in the City of Westminster, one of 32 boroughs which (+ the City) make up Greater London.
  - notatoad 3y ago
    When normal people talk about a city, they're talking about an urban area under the jurisdiction of a mayor and city council. that's exactly what "greater london" is, so when people talk about a city called London it's safe to assume they mean the 32 boroughs. "the city of london" is just a confusingly named area inside a city called "London", it's not a city.
    - kersplody 3y ago
      It's more of a city state encircled by greater London. The City of London has a separate government and rights that predate England, inclusive of the right to opt out of any parliamentary law or ignore the mayor of Greater London. The City of London even considered remaining in the EU after the brexit vote, but it wasn't logistically feasible.
    - walthamstow 3y ago
      > When normal people talk about a city, they're talking about an urban area under the jurisdiction of a mayor and city council. Normal people where? London has only had a mayor since 2000. Each borough has its own council, there is no London council. You don't know what you're talking about and you're projecting (North) American ideas onto other countries. > so when people talk about a city called London it's safe to assume they mean the 32 boroughs. Except it's not. Colloquially, some borough are not considered to be in London. Bromley, for example.
thaumasiotes 3y ago
That's not an example; you're just taking advantage of your hapless interlocutor's assumption that you're speaking English. The City of London and the city of London are distinct legal entities.
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mtalantikite 3y ago

Sure, but Paris is also one of the most densely populated cities in the world, so Paris proper feels large even though it's only, what, 2 million people or so?