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> How is this a threat to their business How is it not? By having a good emulator, one can easily play Switch games without paying. I'm aware emulator devs don

> How is this a threat to their business How is it not? By having a good emulator, one can easily play Switch games without paying. I'm aware emulator devs don't provide game ROMs and usually have certain mechanisms to ensure you have a "legal copy", but these are all very trivial to bypass historically. (I'm also aware there are claims that piracy does not hurt revenue of copyright holder. I can get behind some points in these claims, but not entirely.)

littlestymaar 3y ago
> I'm also aware there are claims that piracy does not hurt revenue of copyright holder. I can get behind some points in these claims, but not entirely IIRC, a significant fraction of the studies of the subject tend to show that it even positively affects revenues of IP rights holders.
- thrdbndndn 3y ago
  I can believe that, but revenue may not be the only thing the author cares (not saying it is the case for Nintendo or any large companies, but in general). I subscribe to Patreon artists frequently. Lots of them, especially Japanese artists, have expressed that they hate piracy (i.e. repost their paid rewards on interweb) simply because it's (in their opinion) wrong. They're fully aware people who pirate is unlikely to pay a single penny regardless, or that piracy actually increases their "exposure". At the end of the day, in my opinion it's right holder's call, regardless if their decision is based on emotion or rationale.
  - littlestymaar 3y ago
    > Lots of them, especially Japanese artists, have expressed that they hate piracy (i.e. repost their paid rewards on interweb) simply because it's (in their opinion) wrong. That's exactly what I mean. At the end of the day, what they believe is what drives their behavior. > At the end of the day, in my opinion it's right holder's call, regardless if their decision is based on emotion or rationale. I'm not disputing that here. Edit: oh, this isn't a response to the comment I though it was. The comment when I'm saying roughly the same as you are and I though was misinterpreted is this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39788265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39788265
Sakos 3y ago
I even own a Switch and a bunch of games and I still emulate it on my PC instead because the experience is so much better. Meanwhile, the Switch is the most successful console of this generation. It simply isn't a threat to their business in any way. Also, that argument leads to a lot of insane consequences once you start arguing that you're not allowed to do things because they're vaguely, potentially a threat to a company.
- yungporko 3y ago
  i had never pirated/emulated switch games before but after this all settles down and a switch emulator exists for more than a day, i certainly will now.
  - Novosell 3y ago
    https://ryujinx.org/ https://ryujinx.org/ Go nuts.
realusername 3y ago
You are going to have a hard time arguing that the Switch, one of the most successful console of all times is losing money because of emulation. There's the people who will never pay a penny to Nintendo anyways and there's the people who just want to run their own games in something better than a choppy 1280x720@30FPS
- msm_ 3y ago
  >You are going to have a hard time arguing that the Switch, one of the most successful console of all times is losing money because of emulation. So you're saying that Nintendo's hard stance on emulation is working? (I don't think this is the reason, but I can imagine someone in management deducing that from the facts).
  - realusername 3y ago
    > So you're saying that Nintendo's hard stance on emulation is working? Obviously not since this console has the highest quality emulators I've even seen during the console's lifetime. Usually you need to wait 5+ years after the console dies to get anything remotely as good. So we can confidently say that emulation being available didn't affect the high sales of the console.
- matsemann 3y ago
  Their hard stance on emulation might be exactly why it's one of the most successful consoles of all times, no?
  - cherryteastain 3y ago
    That argument does not hold water because Switch was already one of the most successful consoles of all time before they even lifted a finger againt Yuzu. Switch's sales/success did not substantially change in the <1 month period that passed since they started the lawsuit against Yuzu.
    - matsemann 3y ago
viraptor 3y ago
The real question becomes - is it used more by people who want to pirate the game, or people who don't want to buy a Switch? I've never bought anything from Nintendo before, but started considering getting one game because I could run it on Streamdeck/Yuzu. Now I'm definitely not buying it. There's a lot of people who want to play Nintendo games in a higher quality who use emulators for it.
0xedd 3y ago
Their business belongs to the 80s. Where one or two companies made consoles. Today, these companies expect me to buy a new device every 2-3 years. What am I, an electronic dump heap? If their device isn't good enough to put itself above others, it is not worth buying. The 1 or maybe 1.5 exclusive they have has zero worth these days. Every console has their exclusives. And among them you will always find something enjoyable. Just stop watching ads/campaigns, who decide for you, and you'll be happy to find many "under the radar" (aka not sold at full price so not marketed) titles. Tangent - This is a disgusting practice to keep us paying for deprecated electronics. By them and the rest of the console companies. Arm wrestling law makers to vendor lock us is not a business model.
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  > Today, these companies expect me to buy a new device every 2-3 years The Switch has been Nintendo's only game hardware since 2017 Say whatever else you will, the "every 2-3 years" argument does not hold water when complaining about Nintendo Yes the Wii-U was very short lived, but it was partially because it was a massive flop no one was buying anyways > The 1 or maybe 1.5 exclusive they have has zero worth these days. Again, this holds no water for Nintendo. The Switch had more than that in exclusives on day one, games that are still exclusive now. I mean really the list is pretty long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_... Whether or not those are all games you care about or want to play is a wholly separate issue I'm not trying to fanboy for Nintendo here. I think their litigation tactics are massively awful, but it really seems like you're coming at Nintendo with complaints about Sony and Microsoft. At least make arguments about the stuff they actually are doing badly
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littlestymaar 3y ago

> I'm also aware there are claims that piracy does not hurt revenue of copyright holder. I can get behind some points in these claims, but not entirely IIRC, a significant fraction of the studies of the subject tend to show that it even positively affects revenues of IP rights holders.

thrdbndndn 3y ago
I can believe that, but revenue may not be the only thing the author cares (not saying it is the case for Nintendo or any large companies, but in general). I subscribe to Patreon artists frequently. Lots of them, especially Japanese artists, have expressed that they hate piracy (i.e. repost their paid rewards on interweb) simply because it's (in their opinion) wrong. They're fully aware people who pirate is unlikely to pay a single penny regardless, or that piracy actually increases their "exposure". At the end of the day, in my opinion it's right holder's call, regardless if their decision is based on emotion or rationale.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  > Lots of them, especially Japanese artists, have expressed that they hate piracy (i.e. repost their paid rewards on interweb) simply because it's (in their opinion) wrong. That's exactly what I mean. At the end of the day, what they believe is what drives their behavior. > At the end of the day, in my opinion it's right holder's call, regardless if their decision is based on emotion or rationale. I'm not disputing that here. Edit: oh, this isn't a response to the comment I though it was. The comment when I'm saying roughly the same as you are and I though was misinterpreted is this one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39788265 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39788265

Sakos 3y ago

I even own a Switch and a bunch of games and I still emulate it on my PC instead because the experience is so much better. Meanwhile, the Switch is the most successful console of this generation. It simply isn't a threat to their business in any way. Also, that argument leads to a lot of insane consequences once you start arguing that you're not allowed to do things because they're vaguely, potentially a threat to a company.

yungporko 3y ago
i had never pirated/emulated switch games before but after this all settles down and a switch emulator exists for more than a day, i certainly will now.
- Novosell 3y ago
  https://ryujinx.org/ https://ryujinx.org/ Go nuts.

realusername 3y ago

You are going to have a hard time arguing that the Switch, one of the most successful console of all times is losing money because of emulation. There's the people who will never pay a penny to Nintendo anyways and there's the people who just want to run their own games in something better than a choppy 1280x720@30FPS

msm_ 3y ago
>You are going to have a hard time arguing that the Switch, one of the most successful console of all times is losing money because of emulation. So you're saying that Nintendo's hard stance on emulation is working? (I don't think this is the reason, but I can imagine someone in management deducing that from the facts).
- realusername 3y ago
  > So you're saying that Nintendo's hard stance on emulation is working? Obviously not since this console has the highest quality emulators I've even seen during the console's lifetime. Usually you need to wait 5+ years after the console dies to get anything remotely as good. So we can confidently say that emulation being available didn't affect the high sales of the console.
matsemann 3y ago
Their hard stance on emulation might be exactly why it's one of the most successful consoles of all times, no?
- cherryteastain 3y ago
  That argument does not hold water because Switch was already one of the most successful consoles of all time before they even lifted a finger againt Yuzu. Switch's sales/success did not substantially change in the <1 month period that passed since they started the lawsuit against Yuzu.
  - matsemann 3y ago

viraptor 3y ago

The real question becomes - is it used more by people who want to pirate the game, or people who don't want to buy a Switch? I've never bought anything from Nintendo before, but started considering getting one game because I could run it on Streamdeck/Yuzu. Now I'm definitely not buying it. There's a lot of people who want to play Nintendo games in a higher quality who use emulators for it.

0xedd 3y ago

Their business belongs to the 80s. Where one or two companies made consoles. Today, these companies expect me to buy a new device every 2-3 years. What am I, an electronic dump heap? If their device isn't good enough to put itself above others, it is not worth buying. The 1 or maybe 1.5 exclusive they have has zero worth these days. Every console has their exclusives. And among them you will always find something enjoyable. Just stop watching ads/campaigns, who decide for you, and you'll be happy to find many "under the radar" (aka not sold at full price so not marketed) titles. Tangent - This is a disgusting practice to keep us paying for deprecated electronics. By them and the rest of the console companies. Arm wrestling law makers to vendor lock us is not a business model.

bluefirebrand 3y ago
> Today, these companies expect me to buy a new device every 2-3 years The Switch has been Nintendo's only game hardware since 2017 Say whatever else you will, the "every 2-3 years" argument does not hold water when complaining about Nintendo Yes the Wii-U was very short lived, but it was partially because it was a massive flop no one was buying anyways > The 1 or maybe 1.5 exclusive they have has zero worth these days. Again, this holds no water for Nintendo. The Switch had more than that in exclusives on day one, games that are still exclusive now. I mean really the list is pretty long: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_games https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_Switch-only_... Whether or not those are all games you care about or want to play is a wholly separate issue I'm not trying to fanboy for Nintendo here. I think their litigation tactics are massively awful, but it really seems like you're coming at Nintendo with complaints about Sony and Microsoft. At least make arguments about the stuff they actually are doing badly

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