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Companies understand only one language: lawyers. Though expensive, it is very effective.

b112 3y ago
I agree but tend to think of it as "money". People apologise with words and actions. Companies can only apologise with money. I have actually tried an alternative approach, negotiating that "OK, don't pay damages, instead change behaviour but with reporting, and 10x damages if you reneg". In every case, companies vastly want to just pay, because? Well, because they plan to re-offend.
- naniwaduni 3y ago
  People apologize with actions. Companies apologize with actions. Companies act, for the most part, with money. (Not all actions are apologies.)
  - b112 3y ago
    You can't do anything without action. I don't see the counter(or supporting?) point you're trying to make. My point is, a company isn't a person. It feels no humility, or compassion, or empathy. Individual parts of a company may, but most certainly not the whole, as a single entity. Thus, for the organism to feel pain, it must have resources taken from it. If it is a "bad" company, it must be starved to death!
- thayne 3y ago
  If they plan to re-offend, it isn't an apology.
  - b112 3y ago
    Indeed. Yet our legal system won't force much beyond cash, at least for many things, if the company isn't willing to take an alternate route.
    - mistrial9 3y ago
      this is not absolute -- BUT there is an abundance of clever and experienced attorneys who can and will find a way out for the side that has money to pay. There are serious consequences for a multitude of serious situations, but that is not news. Over time, corporate interests bend the intent of strong laws with repeated paths to escape the harsh results defined in many laws in the USA, IMHO.
- toast0 3y ago
  > In every case, companies vastly want to just pay, because? Well, because they plan to re-offend. That's one possible reason. Other reasons are a one time payment extinguishes the conflict, whereas a reporting arrangement prolongs the conflict. There's likely to be disagreements over reporting and such.
- pavel_lishin 3y ago
  > Companies can only apologise with money. A fine is a price.
pixl97 3y ago
This isn't completely true. The history of the US and the formation of unions shows that violence is the other language. This said it's not an optimal course at all.

b112 3y ago

I agree but tend to think of it as "money". People apologise with words and actions. Companies can only apologise with money. I have actually tried an alternative approach, negotiating that "OK, don't pay damages, instead change behaviour but with reporting, and 10x damages if you reneg". In every case, companies vastly want to just pay, because? Well, because they plan to re-offend.

naniwaduni 3y ago
People apologize with actions. Companies apologize with actions. Companies act, for the most part, with money. (Not all actions are apologies.)
- b112 3y ago
  You can't do anything without action. I don't see the counter(or supporting?) point you're trying to make. My point is, a company isn't a person. It feels no humility, or compassion, or empathy. Individual parts of a company may, but most certainly not the whole, as a single entity. Thus, for the organism to feel pain, it must have resources taken from it. If it is a "bad" company, it must be starved to death!
thayne 3y ago
If they plan to re-offend, it isn't an apology.
- b112 3y ago
  Indeed. Yet our legal system won't force much beyond cash, at least for many things, if the company isn't willing to take an alternate route.
  - mistrial9 3y ago
    this is not absolute -- BUT there is an abundance of clever and experienced attorneys who can and will find a way out for the side that has money to pay. There are serious consequences for a multitude of serious situations, but that is not news. Over time, corporate interests bend the intent of strong laws with repeated paths to escape the harsh results defined in many laws in the USA, IMHO.
toast0 3y ago
> In every case, companies vastly want to just pay, because? Well, because they plan to re-offend. That's one possible reason. Other reasons are a one time payment extinguishes the conflict, whereas a reporting arrangement prolongs the conflict. There's likely to be disagreements over reporting and such.
pavel_lishin 3y ago
> Companies can only apologise with money. A fine is a price.

pixl97 3y ago

This isn't completely true. The history of the US and the formation of unions shows that violence is the other language. This said it's not an optimal course at all.