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Tablet CPU is Intel Core Ultra 7 165U, which should perform similar to an M1 Pro: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-7-165U-vs-Apple-M1

by e44858 3y ago

Tablet CPU is Intel Core Ultra 7 165U, which should perform similar to an M1 Pro: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-7-165U-vs-Apple-M1-Pro-8-Core-3200-MHz https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5825vs4584/Intel-Ultra-...

underlogic 3y ago
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- mvdtnz 3y ago
  You couldn't pay me to take a Mac. Apple is an organisation that is actively hostile towards developers. I will program on Intel silicon and ms or oss operating systems all day long, thanks.
- e44858 3y ago
  Has great linux support though: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics "Since Intel provides and supports open source drivers, Intel graphics are essentially plug-and-play." Apple silicon does not officially support Linux, it depends entirely on volunteers reverse engineering things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
- jeffbee 3y ago
  The way normal rational people buy computers is as follows. First they decide what they want to do, then they choose applications that do those things. Then they choose an operating system that can host the application. Finally they choose a hardware platform that runs both the operating system and the application. Under this process, few users face a choice between a Mac and a Surface.
  - underlogic 3y ago
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    - hulitu 3y ago
      > If an application is windows only I won't use it. Most of us (non SW engineers) do not have this choice.
      - devjab 3y ago
        Many of us in software development work in companies/organisations of sufficient size that IT-operations will enforce a Windows policy because it fits with their entire infrastructure. I don’t mind too much, these days windows doesn’t really get in the way. With everything being done in an IDE and run/build in containers anyway. I do think it’s a little hilarious that the beast of a Lenovo that was 5x the price of my personal m1 air is basically worse in every way. From the terrible performance, the noisy fan, the horrible trackpad and the 1 hour battery life. (To be fair a lot of the resource drain is due to whatever enterprise stuff IT-operations runs on it). But for the most part it just sits closed in a dock with its fan thing pointed away from me, and I bring an extension cord with me to be able to hook it into power in our poorly planned meeting rooms. Anyway, corporate is often a windows world even for SW engineers.
    - delfinom 3y ago
      Jesus you drank the koolaid. Lol, dark patterns. Recently got a M2 mac for CI purposes. Step 1 was deleting all the preloaded apple-ware apps that they want to people to use for datamining from the dock, they make it as painful clickfest to remove the 20 fucking default docked apps with even removal animations. Not to mention I ran one fucking update from macOS 13 to 14 and it added all the fucking apps back to the dock. At least on Windows I can run a one line command line statement to remove all the preloaded junk.
      - pohuing 3y ago
        Don't forget the red badge on the settings if you don't use iCloud backups. MS' OneDrive nagging doesn't even compare.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  They're the only viable option to have a "work" (or call it "pro") tablet at this point. Apple will need to come up with an iPad with software on par with the mac to make the Surface Pro irrelevant. Until then, living with Windows stays a better tradeoff.
  - ycui1986 3y ago
    Lenovo Thinkpad X12 is also a good option of "work" Tablet. A refresh is coming. Having been using it for SolidWorks, Altium, C development for a few years now.
    - makeitdouble 3y ago
      Yes ! I was eyeing at one, Dell also have some, but both only had FHD screens. Asus has the Z13 line with higher end specs (in particular discrete GPU options), but sadly less accessory compatibility than the Surface Po line. Lenovo has been doing a lot work on their laptop lines recently, a new X12 with a refreshed screen would be a super nice machine.
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dagmx 3y ago
What’s the comparison like for the battery life and GPU? Afaik it’s the areas that really lag on the Intel side. I’m hopeful they’re competitive now on both.
- wtallis 3y ago
  Intel roughly doubled their iGPU performance with the latest Meteor Lake generation, but the low-power U series parts cut the GPU in half. So they'll still be in last place.

by e44858 3y ago

underlogic 3y ago

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mvdtnz 3y ago
You couldn't pay me to take a Mac. Apple is an organisation that is actively hostile towards developers. I will program on Intel silicon and ms or oss operating systems all day long, thanks.
e44858 3y ago
Has great linux support though: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/intel_graphics "Since Intel provides and supports open source drivers, Intel graphics are essentially plug-and-play." Apple silicon does not officially support Linux, it depends entirely on volunteers reverse engineering things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi_Linux
jeffbee 3y ago
The way normal rational people buy computers is as follows. First they decide what they want to do, then they choose applications that do those things. Then they choose an operating system that can host the application. Finally they choose a hardware platform that runs both the operating system and the application. Under this process, few users face a choice between a Mac and a Surface.
- underlogic 3y ago
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  - hulitu 3y ago
    > If an application is windows only I won't use it. Most of us (non SW engineers) do not have this choice.
    - devjab 3y ago
      Many of us in software development work in companies/organisations of sufficient size that IT-operations will enforce a Windows policy because it fits with their entire infrastructure. I don’t mind too much, these days windows doesn’t really get in the way. With everything being done in an IDE and run/build in containers anyway. I do think it’s a little hilarious that the beast of a Lenovo that was 5x the price of my personal m1 air is basically worse in every way. From the terrible performance, the noisy fan, the horrible trackpad and the 1 hour battery life. (To be fair a lot of the resource drain is due to whatever enterprise stuff IT-operations runs on it). But for the most part it just sits closed in a dock with its fan thing pointed away from me, and I bring an extension cord with me to be able to hook it into power in our poorly planned meeting rooms. Anyway, corporate is often a windows world even for SW engineers.
  - delfinom 3y ago
    Jesus you drank the koolaid. Lol, dark patterns. Recently got a M2 mac for CI purposes. Step 1 was deleting all the preloaded apple-ware apps that they want to people to use for datamining from the dock, they make it as painful clickfest to remove the 20 fucking default docked apps with even removal animations. Not to mention I ran one fucking update from macOS 13 to 14 and it added all the fucking apps back to the dock. At least on Windows I can run a one line command line statement to remove all the preloaded junk.
    - pohuing 3y ago
      Don't forget the red badge on the settings if you don't use iCloud backups. MS' OneDrive nagging doesn't even compare.
makeitdouble 3y ago
They're the only viable option to have a "work" (or call it "pro") tablet at this point. Apple will need to come up with an iPad with software on par with the mac to make the Surface Pro irrelevant. Until then, living with Windows stays a better tradeoff.
- ycui1986 3y ago
  Lenovo Thinkpad X12 is also a good option of "work" Tablet. A refresh is coming. Having been using it for SolidWorks, Altium, C development for a few years now.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    Yes ! I was eyeing at one, Dell also have some, but both only had FHD screens. Asus has the Z13 line with higher end specs (in particular discrete GPU options), but sadly less accessory compatibility than the Surface Po line. Lenovo has been doing a lot work on their laptop lines recently, a new X12 with a refreshed screen would be a super nice machine.
- deleted 3y ago
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dagmx 3y ago

What’s the comparison like for the battery life and GPU? Afaik it’s the areas that really lag on the Intel side. I’m hopeful they’re competitive now on both.

wtallis 3y ago
Intel roughly doubled their iGPU performance with the latest Meteor Lake generation, but the low-power U series parts cut the GPU in half. So they'll still be in last place.