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Now, everyone bow to dmix'es preferences about his mom. If you want to child-lock you mom's phone, you should have the ability to do so. Default for adults get

Now, everyone bow to dmix'es preferences about his mom. If you want to child-lock you mom's phone, you should have the ability to do so. Default for adults getting any sort of hardware should be that they are in charge, and any nanny should be opt-in.

School-Cotton 3y ago
You can buy an android if you want. Nothing stops you. I like how iOS works and I would prefer the government does not force Apple to change anything about it.
- jojobas 3y ago
  Imagine a car manufacturer (say Tesla, who has an edge over others much like Apple) could decide where you can go and who your passengers could be? It's much safer! Just think what could happen to you in some ghetto! And that guy is completely creepy anyway. That's pretty much what your argument sounds like to me. Hardware vendors (perhaps other than hardware preconfigured for a particular purpose, i.e. picture frame) should have no say in what runs on that hardware, full stop.
  - School-Cotton 3y ago
    > Imagine a car manufacturer (say Tesla, who has an edge over others much like Apple) could decide where you can go and who your passengers could be? I assume it is legally possibly to sell a car under those conditions, so I don’t even have to imagine. Nobody does it because it would be unpopular and serve no benefit to anyone, not because it’s illegal.
    - jojobas 3y ago
      If the first manufacturer to offer decent cars did that and captured the market, it's quite possible that many would put up with it, just as they put up with iphones today. Oh, and pay a 30% tax on all petrol purchases straight to Mr Ford, how's that?
      - averageRoyalty 3y ago
        If after 15 years people were still buying the car despite alternatives, maybe you need to accept that is what people want?
  - slooonz 3y ago
    > Imagine a car manufacturer (say Tesla, who has an edge over others much like Apple) could decide where you can go and who your passengers could be? That’s called public transit.
    - jojobas 3y ago
      It would be if you couldn't buy a bus.
paulmd 3y ago
It’s awful twisted that the people trying to use government fiat to reduce consumer choice and narrow the range of acceptable business models try to cloak themselves in the language of rights and freedoms. Just not the freedom to choose a walled garden (with its own set of - yes - positives). That choice needs to be taken away. For your freedom. One might say - managed freedom.
- jojobas 3y ago
  Should this be judged against Apple, nothing prevents Apple from maintaining their walled garden, and nothing prevents you from staying in it. It's more freedom, not less.
  - tpmoney 3y ago
    If nothing would prevent Apple from doing what they're doing today, then what is this case all about? Apple's value proposition with iOS isn't just the app store. It's that the app store IS the only way to get something on to iOS. It has to go through them and their review process first. Their value claim is that if you can install it on an iPhone, then you can be assured that it goes through some review process that Apple controls and has been checked against some set of restrictions Apple has, and complies with various things Apple demands. Whether that value is sufficient for any individual consumer is up to them, but very clearly they can't make that same claim if they're required by law to allow apps to come from outside sources and bypass those restrictions.
    - jojobas 3y ago
      "If you check the box 'only allow Apple store' on first startup and never uncheck it, you get only apps reviewed by Apple and giving up 30% of revenue". There, problem solved.
      - tpmoney 3y ago
        Remind me again why "buy any other phone in the world" isn't sufficient for everyone else if this check box is supposed to be sufficient for current iPhone customers? If the only viable smart phone in the world was Apple's, there might be a point to all of this. But the market is almost exactly split right in half and there is nothing at all that you can't do in an Android phone that you would suddenly be able to do if only Apple allowed side loading on the iPhone. So why does Apple and their customer base have to give up things they seemingly want for the minority of people who want to install apks from websites?

School-Cotton 3y ago

You can buy an android if you want. Nothing stops you. I like how iOS works and I would prefer the government does not force Apple to change anything about it.

jojobas 3y ago
Imagine a car manufacturer (say Tesla, who has an edge over others much like Apple) could decide where you can go and who your passengers could be? It's much safer! Just think what could happen to you in some ghetto! And that guy is completely creepy anyway. That's pretty much what your argument sounds like to me. Hardware vendors (perhaps other than hardware preconfigured for a particular purpose, i.e. picture frame) should have no say in what runs on that hardware, full stop.
- School-Cotton 3y ago
  > Imagine a car manufacturer (say Tesla, who has an edge over others much like Apple) could decide where you can go and who your passengers could be? I assume it is legally possibly to sell a car under those conditions, so I don’t even have to imagine. Nobody does it because it would be unpopular and serve no benefit to anyone, not because it’s illegal.
  - jojobas 3y ago
    If the first manufacturer to offer decent cars did that and captured the market, it's quite possible that many would put up with it, just as they put up with iphones today. Oh, and pay a 30% tax on all petrol purchases straight to Mr Ford, how's that?
    - averageRoyalty 3y ago
      If after 15 years people were still buying the car despite alternatives, maybe you need to accept that is what people want?
- slooonz 3y ago
  > Imagine a car manufacturer (say Tesla, who has an edge over others much like Apple) could decide where you can go and who your passengers could be? That’s called public transit.
  - jojobas 3y ago
    It would be if you couldn't buy a bus.

paulmd 3y ago

It’s awful twisted that the people trying to use government fiat to reduce consumer choice and narrow the range of acceptable business models try to cloak themselves in the language of rights and freedoms. Just not the freedom to choose a walled garden (with its own set of - yes - positives). That choice needs to be taken away. For your freedom. One might say - managed freedom.

jojobas 3y ago
Should this be judged against Apple, nothing prevents Apple from maintaining their walled garden, and nothing prevents you from staying in it. It's more freedom, not less.
- tpmoney 3y ago
  If nothing would prevent Apple from doing what they're doing today, then what is this case all about? Apple's value proposition with iOS isn't just the app store. It's that the app store IS the only way to get something on to iOS. It has to go through them and their review process first. Their value claim is that if you can install it on an iPhone, then you can be assured that it goes through some review process that Apple controls and has been checked against some set of restrictions Apple has, and complies with various things Apple demands. Whether that value is sufficient for any individual consumer is up to them, but very clearly they can't make that same claim if they're required by law to allow apps to come from outside sources and bypass those restrictions.
  - jojobas 3y ago
    "If you check the box 'only allow Apple store' on first startup and never uncheck it, you get only apps reviewed by Apple and giving up 30% of revenue". There, problem solved.
    - tpmoney 3y ago
      Remind me again why "buy any other phone in the world" isn't sufficient for everyone else if this check box is supposed to be sufficient for current iPhone customers? If the only viable smart phone in the world was Apple's, there might be a point to all of this. But the market is almost exactly split right in half and there is nothing at all that you can't do in an Android phone that you would suddenly be able to do if only Apple allowed side loading on the iPhone. So why does Apple and their customer base have to give up things they seemingly want for the minority of people who want to install apks from websites?