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neither is proton mail https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/ https://techcrunch.c

neither is proton mail https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-addre... “Proton must comply with Swiss law. As soon as a crime is committed, privacy protections can be suspended and we’re required by Swiss law to answer requests from Swiss authorities,” he wrote. See the problem with privacy services like proton mail, signal and tor is that their customers very often do have something to hide, and so they become a target both legally and technically. You better believe the intelligence services are so deep in those services they're having picnic on the lawn. Using them is kind of like camouflaging your body with bright neon orange fluorescent paint to hide in a crowd

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
Now we just need two deep insiders to tell us whether being a target is better than dragnet surveillance where they don't even need a warrant to find everyone above a certain score of "interesting"
protonmail 3y ago
In fact, the case you shared shows that Proton Mail is exactly as private as advertised. The emails of the user stored on our servers could not have been shared because we don't have a access to them (due to zero-access encryption: https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption). Of course, as any other legally operating company, we need to comply to local legislation, and the very little data we need to have (more in our Privacy Policy: https://proton.me/legal/privacy https://proton.me/legal/privacy) will be shared if we're presented with a court order we have no legal grounds to contest. Proton doesn't provide privacy by refusing to cooperate with the law enforcement, but by not having access to the data. We also don't have any backdoors for intelligence services, as you seem to imply. On the other hand, as described in the blog above, Apple does have access to your data, and uses some of it to serve targeted ads: https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago

Now we just need two deep insiders to tell us whether being a target is better than dragnet surveillance where they don't even need a warrant to find everyone above a certain score of "interesting"

protonmail 3y ago

In fact, the case you shared shows that Proton Mail is exactly as private as advertised. The emails of the user stored on our servers could not have been shared because we don't have a access to them (due to zero-access encryption: https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption). Of course, as any other legally operating company, we need to comply to local legislation, and the very little data we need to have (more in our Privacy Policy: https://proton.me/legal/privacy https://proton.me/legal/privacy) will be shared if we're presented with a court order we have no legal grounds to contest. Proton doesn't provide privacy by refusing to cooperate with the law enforcement, but by not having access to the data. We also don't have any backdoors for intelligence services, as you seem to imply. On the other hand, as described in the blog above, Apple does have access to your data, and uses some of it to serve targeted ads: https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy.