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Below are the limits per carrier. You are correct AT&T is 1m. The iphone has a limit of 200k which can be raised to 300k. Parent was correct. https://www.in

by ipaddr 3y ago

Below are the limits per carrier. You are correct AT&T is 1m. The iphone has a limit of 200k which can be raised to 300k. Parent was correct. https://www.infobip.com/docs/mms/message-types https://www.infobip.com/docs/mms/message-types

inferiorhuman 3y ago
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- pests 3y ago
  Their link references MMS not iMessage. How does Apple get around that MMS limitation?
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    How does Apple get around that MMS limitation? They don't, nobody does. Android users exchanging high quality media are using RCS, iPhone users exchanging high quality media are using iMessage. Fanbois pinning the blame for this on Apple are missing the role of telcos entirely.
    - pests 3y ago
      Yes I know, it was sarcastic. They don't get around it, they use a different technology all together.
- bmitc 3y ago
  Are you sending that to another iPhone? Trt exchanging text messages between an Android phone and an iPhone. It's completely broken. Apple wants to force Android users into iPhones so that their tect messages stop sucking, as if it's and Android issue.
  - tpmoney 3y ago
    Does the MMS protocol allow querying the receiving device capabilities? As far as I know it doesn't, and I don't know how else iOS would know the receiver is an android phone to be able to purposefully downgrade the experience just for them. Unless your theory here is that if a contact number is in your contacts list as ever being iMessage compatible that it will always use higher quality even when sending over MMS? That seems easily testable by sending to an iPhone over MMS, and then removing the contact from your address book and messages and sending again over MMS
    - c0pium 3y ago
      Why would you think that discovery would have to be an SMS/MMS thing? Since you’ve never used an iPhone, let me explain the experience. When you type in a random new number it starts off green. If the user uses iMessage, once you finish typing it magically turns blue. Apple doesn’t care about whether the other number is an Android phone per se, although if it’s not using iMessage then it’s almost certain that the number routes to an android phone.
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      - tpmoney 3y ago
        Because the assertion was that the OP's experience with sending MMS media in excess of the supposed 200k limitation must have been because they were sending to an iPhone. In order for that to happen, the sending phone would have to know the receiving phone was an iPhone so that it could enable "send bigger pictures to iPhones over MMS" mode. They can't retroactively change the media size once they've sent the message, so either somehow Apple is determining the receiver capabilities over MMS before sending the message, or the 200k limit isn't real / is a carrier imposed limit.
        inferiorhuman 3y ago
        because they were sending to an iPhone No, I was sending it to a Google Voice number which means it goes out via MMS. Google no longer does SMS/MMS forwarding so I logged into the Google Voice site and downloaded the image that Google received via MMS. There is no 200 kilobyte limit. I really love how folks are frothing at the mouth over things they don't understand.
- johnoth 3y ago
  Now try sending to an at&t iPhone. By your experience it seems that Apple is limiting iOS-iOS image size, to promote iMessage. That's inherently not a bad thing, and wouldn't matter if iMessage wasn't a platform gatekeeping/discrimination tool. I say discrimination because of the GenZ opinion on blue/green bubbles.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    Now try sending to an at&t iPhone. Why? Sending a message to a Google Voice number will always happen over SMS or MMS. iMessage does not work over GV. RCS does not work over GV. If you mean try receiving messages from an AT&T Android phone, sure, I've done that. No complaints, although AT&T seems to throttle the image size more than other carriers in my experience. By your experience it seems that Apple is limiting iOS-iOS image size, to promote iMessage What? If I were sending messages to an iOS device directly it would go out over iMessage. Instead I chose to send a message via MMS to a Google Voice number where Google serves as the end device. iMessage does not work over Google Voice. There. Is. No. 200. Kilobyte. Limit. There's no gatekeeping, just shitty carrier MMS implementations.

by ipaddr 3y ago

inferiorhuman 3y ago

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pests 3y ago
Their link references MMS not iMessage. How does Apple get around that MMS limitation?
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  How does Apple get around that MMS limitation? They don't, nobody does. Android users exchanging high quality media are using RCS, iPhone users exchanging high quality media are using iMessage. Fanbois pinning the blame for this on Apple are missing the role of telcos entirely.
  - pests 3y ago
    Yes I know, it was sarcastic. They don't get around it, they use a different technology all together.
bmitc 3y ago
Are you sending that to another iPhone? Trt exchanging text messages between an Android phone and an iPhone. It's completely broken. Apple wants to force Android users into iPhones so that their tect messages stop sucking, as if it's and Android issue.
- tpmoney 3y ago
  Does the MMS protocol allow querying the receiving device capabilities? As far as I know it doesn't, and I don't know how else iOS would know the receiver is an android phone to be able to purposefully downgrade the experience just for them. Unless your theory here is that if a contact number is in your contacts list as ever being iMessage compatible that it will always use higher quality even when sending over MMS? That seems easily testable by sending to an iPhone over MMS, and then removing the contact from your address book and messages and sending again over MMS
  - c0pium 3y ago
    Why would you think that discovery would have to be an SMS/MMS thing? Since you’ve never used an iPhone, let me explain the experience. When you type in a random new number it starts off green. If the user uses iMessage, once you finish typing it magically turns blue. Apple doesn’t care about whether the other number is an Android phone per se, although if it’s not using iMessage then it’s almost certain that the number routes to an android phone.
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    - tpmoney 3y ago
      Because the assertion was that the OP's experience with sending MMS media in excess of the supposed 200k limitation must have been because they were sending to an iPhone. In order for that to happen, the sending phone would have to know the receiving phone was an iPhone so that it could enable "send bigger pictures to iPhones over MMS" mode. They can't retroactively change the media size once they've sent the message, so either somehow Apple is determining the receiver capabilities over MMS before sending the message, or the 200k limit isn't real / is a carrier imposed limit.
      - inferiorhuman 3y ago
        because they were sending to an iPhone No, I was sending it to a Google Voice number which means it goes out via MMS. Google no longer does SMS/MMS forwarding so I logged into the Google Voice site and downloaded the image that Google received via MMS. There is no 200 kilobyte limit. I really love how folks are frothing at the mouth over things they don't understand.
johnoth 3y ago
Now try sending to an at&t iPhone. By your experience it seems that Apple is limiting iOS-iOS image size, to promote iMessage. That's inherently not a bad thing, and wouldn't matter if iMessage wasn't a platform gatekeeping/discrimination tool. I say discrimination because of the GenZ opinion on blue/green bubbles.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Now try sending to an at&t iPhone. Why? Sending a message to a Google Voice number will always happen over SMS or MMS. iMessage does not work over GV. RCS does not work over GV. If you mean try receiving messages from an AT&T Android phone, sure, I've done that. No complaints, although AT&T seems to throttle the image size more than other carriers in my experience. By your experience it seems that Apple is limiting iOS-iOS image size, to promote iMessage What? If I were sending messages to an iOS device directly it would go out over iMessage. Instead I chose to send a message via MMS to a Google Voice number where Google serves as the end device. iMessage does not work over Google Voice. There. Is. No. 200. Kilobyte. Limit. There's no gatekeeping, just shitty carrier MMS implementations.