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Except it doesn’t. Just like dead junkies doesn’t deter people from doing drugs. Education and social mobility are much stronger crime reduction tools than pri

by slau 3y ago

Except it doesn’t. Just like dead junkies doesn’t deter people from doing drugs. Education and social mobility are much stronger crime reduction tools than prison.

paulpauper 3y ago
not quite the same thing. someone who takes drugs knows what is the safe dose or not and can estimate the risk. the druggie is in total control of how much to take or not take. deterrence works because it throws off the criminal's math due to uncertainty.
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  For users of particular substances it's a coin toss if what they decide to take is: * what they think it is * as potent as they think it is * more well-traveled than they are, passing through N hands Point being: they can know exactly down to the microgram how much they're taking, it changes nothing. Every day may be the day. Trying to not be rude, I feel you're attributing far too much rationality to this. Their situation has no lack of uncertainty. It's the furthest thing from their mind. They've deliberately and repeatedly signed up for much worse odds/stakes. Rationality long left. Something is compelling, exceeding, these hypothetical deterrents. These people aren't choosing in their rational/best interest.
  - slau 3y ago
    There was an interesting couple of episodes from the podcast Search Engine, asking the question “Why do dealers put fentanyl in everything?” [1] & [2] The grim conclusion was that dead clients are a calling card for dealers. People addicted to drugs don’t think “oh crap, this guy might kill me”, they think “oh wow, that must’ve been a hell of a high”. [1]: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-fentanyl https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-f... [2]: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-fentanyl-97a https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-f...
- wfvr 3y ago
  > deterrence works Citation needed.

by slau 3y ago

Except it doesn’t. Just like dead junkies doesn’t deter people from doing drugs. Education and social mobility are much stronger crime reduction tools than prison.

paulpauper 3y ago

not quite the same thing. someone who takes drugs knows what is the safe dose or not and can estimate the risk. the druggie is in total control of how much to take or not take. deterrence works because it throws off the criminal's math due to uncertainty.

bravetraveler 3y ago
For users of particular substances it's a coin toss if what they decide to take is: * what they think it is * as potent as they think it is * more well-traveled than they are, passing through N hands Point being: they can know exactly down to the microgram how much they're taking, it changes nothing. Every day may be the day. Trying to not be rude, I feel you're attributing far too much rationality to this. Their situation has no lack of uncertainty. It's the furthest thing from their mind. They've deliberately and repeatedly signed up for much worse odds/stakes. Rationality long left. Something is compelling, exceeding, these hypothetical deterrents. These people aren't choosing in their rational/best interest.
- slau 3y ago
  There was an interesting couple of episodes from the podcast Search Engine, asking the question “Why do dealers put fentanyl in everything?” [1] & [2] The grim conclusion was that dead clients are a calling card for dealers. People addicted to drugs don’t think “oh crap, this guy might kill me”, they think “oh wow, that must’ve been a hell of a high”. [1]: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-fentanyl https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-f... [2]: https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-fentanyl-97a https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/why-are-drug-dealers-putting-f...
wfvr 3y ago
> deterrence works Citation needed.