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Not to nitpick but in the early 60s there was an entire race of people who were systematically marginalized to be Third Class citizens. (White) women were still

Not to nitpick but in the early 60s there was an entire race of people who were systematically marginalized to be Third Class citizens. (White) women were still effectively Second Class. That's pretty fucking divided.

UncleOxidant 3y ago
Indeed POC were still systematically marginalized in the early 60s. That's a division that existed since the founding of the US. Many whites began to pay attention to this after the murder of Emmett Till in '55. But when we talk about political division, were enough whites convinced yet in the early 60s that this was an issue that wasn't just confined to the South? The fault lines were definitely there, and there had been several aftershocks since the big one (The Civil War), the quakes to come were still a few years out. Those fault lines are still there.
- readyman 3y ago
  The labor movements of the 20s/30s were very explicitly not segregated. Any segregation in labor was always the work of the bosses, all the way back.
  - jhbadger 3y ago
    Not entirely true. The CIO was pretty open to Blacks, not so much the AFL. Which became an issue in 1955 when they merged to become the current AFL-CIO.
    - readyman 3y ago
      The AFL was effectively an anti-labor organization and the CIO was not "pretty open". They were explicitly and actively organizing all workers.
- matthewdgreen 3y ago
  A lot of our political divisions are essentially a reflection of the same issues that led to and pre-dated the civil war. Although nowadays the geography has expanded, you can still easily see the outline of the confederacy in today’s voting patterns.
- southernplaces7 3y ago
  Really? POC? A huge and extremely complex and diverse part of American society gets neatly categorized into a limp but politically correct acronym for the sake of what reason? It's really that difficult to say people of color, or say, African Americans, or blacks? Assuming you're not referring to many other types of people of color here, though a whole bunch of different ethnicities could fit into that strange way of categorizing so many human beings.
  - UncleOxidant 3y ago
    > It's really that difficult to say people of color That's what POC stands for. It includes blacks, hispanics and native Americans - all of those groups were/are impacted by white supremacy.
    - parineum 3y ago
      Groups who were impacted in very different ways and who aren't even a monolith among themselves, let alone each other.

UncleOxidant 3y ago

Indeed POC were still systematically marginalized in the early 60s. That's a division that existed since the founding of the US. Many whites began to pay attention to this after the murder of Emmett Till in '55. But when we talk about political division, were enough whites convinced yet in the early 60s that this was an issue that wasn't just confined to the South? The fault lines were definitely there, and there had been several aftershocks since the big one (The Civil War), the quakes to come were still a few years out. Those fault lines are still there.

readyman 3y ago
The labor movements of the 20s/30s were very explicitly not segregated. Any segregation in labor was always the work of the bosses, all the way back.
- jhbadger 3y ago
  Not entirely true. The CIO was pretty open to Blacks, not so much the AFL. Which became an issue in 1955 when they merged to become the current AFL-CIO.
  - readyman 3y ago
    The AFL was effectively an anti-labor organization and the CIO was not "pretty open". They were explicitly and actively organizing all workers.
matthewdgreen 3y ago
A lot of our political divisions are essentially a reflection of the same issues that led to and pre-dated the civil war. Although nowadays the geography has expanded, you can still easily see the outline of the confederacy in today’s voting patterns.
southernplaces7 3y ago
Really? POC? A huge and extremely complex and diverse part of American society gets neatly categorized into a limp but politically correct acronym for the sake of what reason? It's really that difficult to say people of color, or say, African Americans, or blacks? Assuming you're not referring to many other types of people of color here, though a whole bunch of different ethnicities could fit into that strange way of categorizing so many human beings.
- UncleOxidant 3y ago
  > It's really that difficult to say people of color That's what POC stands for. It includes blacks, hispanics and native Americans - all of those groups were/are impacted by white supremacy.
  - parineum 3y ago
    Groups who were impacted in very different ways and who aren't even a monolith among themselves, let alone each other.