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> Apple’s marketing team has built a powerful association between the iPhone and privacy. The company’s ad campaigns claim that “what happens on your iPhone, st

by monkin 3y ago

> Apple’s marketing team has built a powerful association between the iPhone and privacy. The company’s ad campaigns claim that “what happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone.” And, “Privacy. That’s iPhone.” The same thing goes for Proton as their entire business and marketing is based on selling privacy and fearmongering. Even this blog post is about selling services and they always write about it when Apple is getting hit by something and talked about. ;-)

comte7092 3y ago
I’m having a hard time parsing the implication here, are you saying that proton is guilty of violating user privacy despite their marketing claims?
- monkin 3y ago
  I'm just commenting on using situation to boost their sales, engagement, and that specific quote. Nothing wrong in this. But they had a fair share of controversies around them too. As each one of those "privacy first" companies, and don't get me wrong it's not a bad thing.
- weikju 3y ago
  There was some drama a few years ago where Proton provided IP addresses of some activist to authorities, so yeah, they will do so just as much as Apple will. https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-addre...
  - comte7092 3y ago
    Apple is definitely collecting user data for advertising purposes, which to my knowledge is not something proton would be doing. I wouldn’t agree that it’s “just as much as Apple” here.
    - weikju 3y ago
      Right. the "just as much" as was with regards to "they will comply with law enforcement requests" rather than the quantity/type of information part...
      - comte7092 3y ago
        Given that the blog post mentions apple’s ad business, I had no reason to believe that “just as much” somehow meant less than what was the subject of the discussion.
        weikju 3y ago
        Sure, feedback is noted. Hopefully a bit more clear now after my response. :)
  - protonmail 3y ago
    In fact, this case shows that Proton Mail is exactly as private as advertised. The emails of the user stored on our servers could not have been shared because we don't have a access to them (due to zero-access encryption: https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption). Of course, as any other legally operating company, we need to comply to local legislation, and the very little data we need to have (more in our Privacy Policy: https://proton.me/legal/privacy https://proton.me/legal/privacy) will be shared if we're presented with a court order we have no legal grounds to contest. Proton doesn't provide privacy by refusing to cooperate with the law enforcement, but by not having access to the data. On the other hand, as described in the blog above, Apple does have access to your data, and uses some of it to serve targeted ads: https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy.

by monkin 3y ago

comte7092 3y ago

I’m having a hard time parsing the implication here, are you saying that proton is guilty of violating user privacy despite their marketing claims?

monkin 3y ago
I'm just commenting on using situation to boost their sales, engagement, and that specific quote. Nothing wrong in this. But they had a fair share of controversies around them too. As each one of those "privacy first" companies, and don't get me wrong it's not a bad thing.
weikju 3y ago
There was some drama a few years ago where Proton provided IP addresses of some activist to authorities, so yeah, they will do so just as much as Apple will. https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-addre...
- comte7092 3y ago
  Apple is definitely collecting user data for advertising purposes, which to my knowledge is not something proton would be doing. I wouldn’t agree that it’s “just as much as Apple” here.
  - weikju 3y ago
    Right. the "just as much" as was with regards to "they will comply with law enforcement requests" rather than the quantity/type of information part...
    - comte7092 3y ago
      Given that the blog post mentions apple’s ad business, I had no reason to believe that “just as much” somehow meant less than what was the subject of the discussion.
      - weikju 3y ago
        Sure, feedback is noted. Hopefully a bit more clear now after my response. :)
- protonmail 3y ago
  In fact, this case shows that Proton Mail is exactly as private as advertised. The emails of the user stored on our servers could not have been shared because we don't have a access to them (due to zero-access encryption: https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption https://proton.me/blog/zero-access-encryption). Of course, as any other legally operating company, we need to comply to local legislation, and the very little data we need to have (more in our Privacy Policy: https://proton.me/legal/privacy https://proton.me/legal/privacy) will be shared if we're presented with a court order we have no legal grounds to contest. Proton doesn't provide privacy by refusing to cooperate with the law enforcement, but by not having access to the data. On the other hand, as described in the blog above, Apple does have access to your data, and uses some of it to serve targeted ads: https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy https://proton.me/blog/iphone-privacy.