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"In December 2023, a US senator revealed that Apple had received sealed court orders that forced it to secretly share push notification data with law enforcemen

by axoltl 3y ago

"In December 2023, a US senator revealed that Apple had received sealed court orders that forced it to secretly share push notification data with law enforcement agencies in the US and foreign countries." ... "Apple did not take even minimum precautions to protect users’ privacy, such as requiring a court order before disclosing push notifications." I'm confused, did they or did they not disclose push notifications without a court order? It's unclear from the article if they simply updated the privacy policy to reflect their internal process or not.

threeseed 3y ago
It doesn't matter what Apple's policy is. They are required to comply with US law. Just like Proton would be required to comply with Swiss law including handing over data which is unencrypted e.g. IP addresses, recipient, sender, subject line etc. And it's not like the Swiss government is that much better than the US: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/swiss-government-accused-of-massive-online-surveillance/49117880#:~:text=The%20Swiss%20Federal%20Intelligence%20Service,magazine%20Republik.ch%20on%20Tuesday https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/swiss-government-accus....
- axoltl 3y ago
  100% agree, but I'm curious if they were doing the bare minimum required to comply with the law or proactively handing out data they didn't have to yet. In the past I worked closely with Erik Neuenschwander, who spearheads user privacy at Apple, and I'd be very surprised to hear they didn't fight these requests.
- Dracophoenix 3y ago
  The Swiss government is much less committed to privacy than most are aware of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniPanzer_and_MegaPanzer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniPanzer_and_MegaPanzer
- asadotzler 3y ago
  In the US, subpoena's without a judge's signature have a lot of room to be challenge and if Apple isn't challenging, just handing over when a cop comes asking, that's their right to avoid the work of defending users but it's also reasonable for users to know that Apple won't take steps to defend them when it can because Apple doesn't want the difficulty. This is true for pharmacies in the US too which all hand over your prescriptions to cops without a court-signed warrant, just a procedural request from the pig.

by axoltl 3y ago

threeseed 3y ago

It doesn't matter what Apple's policy is. They are required to comply with US law. Just like Proton would be required to comply with Swiss law including handing over data which is unencrypted e.g. IP addresses, recipient, sender, subject line etc. And it's not like the Swiss government is that much better than the US: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/swiss-government-accused-of-massive-online-surveillance/49117880#:~:text=The%20Swiss%20Federal%20Intelligence%20Service,magazine%20Republik.ch%20on%20Tuesday https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/swiss-government-accus....

axoltl 3y ago
100% agree, but I'm curious if they were doing the bare minimum required to comply with the law or proactively handing out data they didn't have to yet. In the past I worked closely with Erik Neuenschwander, who spearheads user privacy at Apple, and I'd be very surprised to hear they didn't fight these requests.
Dracophoenix 3y ago
The Swiss government is much less committed to privacy than most are aware of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniPanzer_and_MegaPanzer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiniPanzer_and_MegaPanzer
asadotzler 3y ago
In the US, subpoena's without a judge's signature have a lot of room to be challenge and if Apple isn't challenging, just handing over when a cop comes asking, that's their right to avoid the work of defending users but it's also reasonable for users to know that Apple won't take steps to defend them when it can because Apple doesn't want the difficulty. This is true for pharmacies in the US too which all hand over your prescriptions to cops without a court-signed warrant, just a procedural request from the pig.