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Am I the only developer, working for corporation that is using other mega corp's cloud, using redis personally and at work - who sees this as good news? This c

Am I the only developer, working for corporation that is using other mega corp's cloud, using redis personally and at work - who sees this as good news? This change means that cloud providers will have to share premium they're charging customers for offering redis as cloud service. Developers still have access to source code, you can use it personally and for commercial products, you can use it on your cloud VMs, dockers, k8s etc. as before. The only affected parties are competing cloud providers - they'll have to share their premium. What's wrong with that? Sounds like solid way to build sustainable business around open code. Also putting together all this other stuff into single package (JSON, vector, probabilistic and time-series) sounds great!

acdha 3y ago
> Sounds like solid way to build sustainable business around open code. Yeah, that’s basically my question: how else do they make money? I’d bet that there’s at least one order of magnitude more people who use any of the major cloud providers’ hosted Redis service than who pay for a support contract, and probably at least two orders more than contribute anything substantial to the open source project. At some point you need recurring revenue or development is going to slow dramatically.
Ferret7446 3y ago
Because once you have strings attached, you need to constantly be aware of it. Sure, this only targets cloud providers, but what if a company wants to host a redis instance for its subsidiaries? Or you expose direct Redis access to certain partners? Or insert any other perfect innocent scenario. Suddenly you need to hire a lawyer.
- mirekrusin 3y ago
  Every license has strings attached, including Public Domain [0] (that's why SQLite is not open-contribution). ps. yes, I am aware of license vs copyright distinction and relation they create. [0] https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html
  - jrochkind1 3y ago
    What strings are attached to public domain code? I'm not following.
theamk 3y ago
No, the competing cloud providers would pass that extra premium right to the customers. So the affected parties are those individual customers who want to buy managed Redis from the cloud - the prices will go up for them (if Redis Labs plan were to work) I am personally fine with running Redis myself, but I can completely understand the people who don't want to bother with this, and get a hosted version -- and pay as little as possible for it.
- mirekrusin 3y ago
  No, they won't because they already charge premium with good margin on it and competition exists. Microsoft/Azure already agreed to enter new license agreement, others will follow if they haven't done it yet. Nobody will notice anything, nothing will change for anybody. Some forks will popup and die off for sure though.

acdha 3y ago

> Sounds like solid way to build sustainable business around open code. Yeah, that’s basically my question: how else do they make money? I’d bet that there’s at least one order of magnitude more people who use any of the major cloud providers’ hosted Redis service than who pay for a support contract, and probably at least two orders more than contribute anything substantial to the open source project. At some point you need recurring revenue or development is going to slow dramatically.

Ferret7446 3y ago

Because once you have strings attached, you need to constantly be aware of it. Sure, this only targets cloud providers, but what if a company wants to host a redis instance for its subsidiaries? Or you expose direct Redis access to certain partners? Or insert any other perfect innocent scenario. Suddenly you need to hire a lawyer.

mirekrusin 3y ago
Every license has strings attached, including Public Domain [0] (that's why SQLite is not open-contribution). ps. yes, I am aware of license vs copyright distinction and relation they create. [0] https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html
- jrochkind1 3y ago
  What strings are attached to public domain code? I'm not following.

theamk 3y ago

No, the competing cloud providers would pass that extra premium right to the customers. So the affected parties are those individual customers who want to buy managed Redis from the cloud - the prices will go up for them (if Redis Labs plan were to work) I am personally fine with running Redis myself, but I can completely understand the people who don't want to bother with this, and get a hosted version -- and pay as little as possible for it.

mirekrusin 3y ago
No, they won't because they already charge premium with good margin on it and competition exists. Microsoft/Azure already agreed to enter new license agreement, others will follow if they haven't done it yet. Nobody will notice anything, nothing will change for anybody. Some forks will popup and die off for sure though.