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> I really cannot fathom what alternate reality is otherwise. So all the massacres of Jews by Arabs before 1948 were done via time machine? > is what kicked o

by ars 3y ago

> I really cannot fathom what alternate reality is otherwise. So all the massacres of Jews by Arabs before 1948 were done via time machine? > is what kicked off the current colder than ice relations between the two religions. This is laughably false.

aprilthird2021 3y ago
You didn't read my comment. The formation of Israel began earlier than 1948. Arabs and Jews didn't begin killing each other out of nowhere. They did it over land disagreements which began because of Zionism which was almost a century old and being implemented well before WWII came around. Please learn history and stop spreading disinfo
- ars 3y ago
  That's an ... interesting alternate history. But modern Zionism started in 1882, yet the Genocide of Safed was in 1834. Reading the article about it it's clear the local authorities did not prosecute Jews as a policy - but, the local population was full of hate for Jews. You see it over and over when reading the history of the area - the official policy allowed Jews, while the individual people wanted to kill the Jews. Nothing has changed today. And the hate for Jews was obviously not because of modern Israel, since that didn't exist, not was even thought of.
  - aprilthird2021 3y ago
    If you think I'm saying anyone anywhere hating Jews in the modern day is only because of Israel, then we're on different wavelengths. The overall, global decline in healthy relations between the religions largely has its locus in the creation and sustaining of Israel. Just as there are violent clashes there are good interactions, but the current political reality has subdued the latter and increased the former. It's the same way as the creation of modern Pakistan has substantially decreased good relations between Muslims and Hindus. The idea that either side is wholly evil and the opposite is justified in its hate is completely contrary to everything we know about human beings. The average Hindu is very amenable to growing animosity towards Muslims when he sees his nation's arch rival, an ethno-religious state, send spies over the border, orchestrate bombings, etc. And that's how many in the Muslim world feel about Israel who has also orchestrated bombings, assassinations, etc. in their countries.
    - ars 3y ago
      You are rewriting history. WHY did the creation of Israel have to be associated with bad relationships? After all the Jews purchased all the land they were going to live on, and the partition gave them empty land. And it's not like it was their national land - it was not a country. It was only personal land, and that was exchanged via purchase. The Arabs responded with anger and a war. The reason is that hate by Arabs long predates this time period. Have a look: https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/2011/01/massacre-of-jews-by-muslims-before-1948.html https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/2011/01/massacre-of-jews-b... You are writing as if Israel was some "new change" that made Arabs mad, but that's not the case, it's simply a continuation of what never changed.

by ars 3y ago

aprilthird2021 3y ago

You didn't read my comment. The formation of Israel began earlier than 1948. Arabs and Jews didn't begin killing each other out of nowhere. They did it over land disagreements which began because of Zionism which was almost a century old and being implemented well before WWII came around. Please learn history and stop spreading disinfo

ars 3y ago
That's an ... interesting alternate history. But modern Zionism started in 1882, yet the Genocide of Safed was in 1834. Reading the article about it it's clear the local authorities did not prosecute Jews as a policy - but, the local population was full of hate for Jews. You see it over and over when reading the history of the area - the official policy allowed Jews, while the individual people wanted to kill the Jews. Nothing has changed today. And the hate for Jews was obviously not because of modern Israel, since that didn't exist, not was even thought of.
- aprilthird2021 3y ago
  If you think I'm saying anyone anywhere hating Jews in the modern day is only because of Israel, then we're on different wavelengths. The overall, global decline in healthy relations between the religions largely has its locus in the creation and sustaining of Israel. Just as there are violent clashes there are good interactions, but the current political reality has subdued the latter and increased the former. It's the same way as the creation of modern Pakistan has substantially decreased good relations between Muslims and Hindus. The idea that either side is wholly evil and the opposite is justified in its hate is completely contrary to everything we know about human beings. The average Hindu is very amenable to growing animosity towards Muslims when he sees his nation's arch rival, an ethno-religious state, send spies over the border, orchestrate bombings, etc. And that's how many in the Muslim world feel about Israel who has also orchestrated bombings, assassinations, etc. in their countries.
  - ars 3y ago
    You are rewriting history. WHY did the creation of Israel have to be associated with bad relationships? After all the Jews purchased all the land they were going to live on, and the partition gave them empty land. And it's not like it was their national land - it was not a country. It was only personal land, and that was exchanged via purchase. The Arabs responded with anger and a war. The reason is that hate by Arabs long predates this time period. Have a look: https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/2011/01/massacre-of-jews-by-muslims-before-1948.html https://www.jewishrefugees.org.uk/2011/01/massacre-of-jews-b... You are writing as if Israel was some "new change" that made Arabs mad, but that's not the case, it's simply a continuation of what never changed.