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> Do you prefer not being able to send or recieve good quality images and videos to anyone using Android? Bit confused by this. What prevents me from sending o

> Do you prefer not being able to send or recieve good quality images and videos to anyone using Android? Bit confused by this. What prevents me from sending or receiving good quality images to/from Android users?

ripdog 3y ago
By default was missing from the sentence. You can do it with Whatsapp etc, but both you and the other party need to download a 3rd party app to do so.
- insaneirish 3y ago
  > By default was missing from the sentence. You can do it with Whatsapp etc, but both you and the other party need to download a 3rd party app to do so. So... what?
  - vineyardlabs 3y ago
    I think the point is that it's kind not entirely accurate to say that Apple doesn't allow messaging interoperability with Android. They in-fact do through dozens of available third party apps. They don't allow non-apple devices to implement the iMessage protocol, which could be argued to be anti-consumer but it's not really evidence of apple being a monopoly. Edit: Just realized that you I misread your comment and you and I agree
  - Salgat 3y ago
    It's an obvious abuse of their monopoly to suppress competition. Most kids use iPhone and for the general public in the US iPhone has >50% market share, so to expect most people to stop using iMessage to get better support with Android users is not happening, and it's silly to think that will change without a change in laws, so most kids end up getting iPhones so they're not left out. Remember, this is all a very arbitrary restriction by Apple that lets them take advantage of their monopoly to suppress sales of competitive products. That's the illegal part.
    - gms 3y ago
      2.6 billion WhatsApp users exist. All switched from native SMS to a third-party app (WhatsApp). Clearly this expectation is fine.
      - Salgat 3y ago
        Part of that is that outside the US, iPhone isn't as dominant in the market, so their anticompetitive tactics don't work as well.
        gms 3y ago
        Nobody uses iMessage outside the US, by choice, even in iPhone-dominated markets. So clearly it's possible to avoid it. US iPhone users have the same choice.
        Salgat 3y ago
        Do you have an example of a place that has a similar rate of usage for iPhones but primarily uses WhatsApp for texting? In the US the rate is 87% for teenagers, I'm surprised it's that high elsewhere.
        gms 3y ago
        I don’t as I don’t know the numbers, but note also the US is a rich country.
        nroets 3y ago
        Bear in mind that WhatsApp adoption is often driven by the costs involved with SMS especially when sending to an international number. WhatsApp also enable free international voip calls.
        gms 3y ago
        iMessage and FaceTime Audio are also free.
jlebar 3y ago
When friends with iPhones send me images or videos using iMessage, they are very low-quality compared to what iPhone users receive. But when Android users send me the same, they are higher quality. So I think the specific answer to your question is "iMessage and its lack of support for <protocol (RCS?)>".
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- insaneirish 3y ago
  > So I think the specific answer to your question is "iMessage and its lack of support for <protocol (RCS?)>". But there are other ways to send images or arbitrary files. Why does iMessage need to support it?
  - greiskul 3y ago
    Cause it would be better for Apple's customers. This one doesn't even have the "my parents security" defense like installing non app store apples does. Do you honestly think any costumer WANTS iPhone to be shitty at sending images? Why do you have to defend every little thing that Apple does as if you were their lawyer? I get that you like some parts of their walled garden, but why do Apple stans behave as if Apple was a sacred company that could do no wrong, when there examples like this that they are literally harming their own customers to protect their moat. I get why Apple does it, I don't get why anyone here would side with Apple.
    - insaneirish 3y ago
      You're conflating things. What some people might want Apple to do is different from what Apple should be legally obligated to do. If someone doesn't like the fact that the Messages app doesn't support <X>, they should not buy an iPhone then, if it's that important to them. Pretty simple calculus. Apple made a choice, and then they can suffer the consequences of a lost sale because of that choice.
    - bestnameever 3y ago
paulddraper 3y ago
Lack of iMessage support on Android.
- insaneirish 3y ago
  > Lack of iMessage support on Android. Plenty of other ways to send images.
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ripdog 3y ago

By default was missing from the sentence. You can do it with Whatsapp etc, but both you and the other party need to download a 3rd party app to do so.

insaneirish 3y ago
> By default was missing from the sentence. You can do it with Whatsapp etc, but both you and the other party need to download a 3rd party app to do so. So... what?
- vineyardlabs 3y ago
  I think the point is that it's kind not entirely accurate to say that Apple doesn't allow messaging interoperability with Android. They in-fact do through dozens of available third party apps. They don't allow non-apple devices to implement the iMessage protocol, which could be argued to be anti-consumer but it's not really evidence of apple being a monopoly. Edit: Just realized that you I misread your comment and you and I agree
- Salgat 3y ago
  It's an obvious abuse of their monopoly to suppress competition. Most kids use iPhone and for the general public in the US iPhone has >50% market share, so to expect most people to stop using iMessage to get better support with Android users is not happening, and it's silly to think that will change without a change in laws, so most kids end up getting iPhones so they're not left out. Remember, this is all a very arbitrary restriction by Apple that lets them take advantage of their monopoly to suppress sales of competitive products. That's the illegal part.
  - gms 3y ago
    2.6 billion WhatsApp users exist. All switched from native SMS to a third-party app (WhatsApp). Clearly this expectation is fine.
    - Salgat 3y ago
      Part of that is that outside the US, iPhone isn't as dominant in the market, so their anticompetitive tactics don't work as well.
      - gms 3y ago
        Nobody uses iMessage outside the US, by choice, even in iPhone-dominated markets. So clearly it's possible to avoid it. US iPhone users have the same choice.
        Salgat 3y ago
        Do you have an example of a place that has a similar rate of usage for iPhones but primarily uses WhatsApp for texting? In the US the rate is 87% for teenagers, I'm surprised it's that high elsewhere.
        gms 3y ago
        I don’t as I don’t know the numbers, but note also the US is a rich country.
        nroets 3y ago
        Bear in mind that WhatsApp adoption is often driven by the costs involved with SMS especially when sending to an international number. WhatsApp also enable free international voip calls.
        gms 3y ago
        iMessage and FaceTime Audio are also free.

jlebar 3y ago

When friends with iPhones send me images or videos using iMessage, they are very low-quality compared to what iPhone users receive. But when Android users send me the same, they are higher quality. So I think the specific answer to your question is "iMessage and its lack of support for <protocol (RCS?)>".

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insaneirish 3y ago
> So I think the specific answer to your question is "iMessage and its lack of support for <protocol (RCS?)>". But there are other ways to send images or arbitrary files. Why does iMessage need to support it?
- greiskul 3y ago
  Cause it would be better for Apple's customers. This one doesn't even have the "my parents security" defense like installing non app store apples does. Do you honestly think any costumer WANTS iPhone to be shitty at sending images? Why do you have to defend every little thing that Apple does as if you were their lawyer? I get that you like some parts of their walled garden, but why do Apple stans behave as if Apple was a sacred company that could do no wrong, when there examples like this that they are literally harming their own customers to protect their moat. I get why Apple does it, I don't get why anyone here would side with Apple.
  - insaneirish 3y ago
    You're conflating things. What some people might want Apple to do is different from what Apple should be legally obligated to do. If someone doesn't like the fact that the Messages app doesn't support <X>, they should not buy an iPhone then, if it's that important to them. Pretty simple calculus. Apple made a choice, and then they can suffer the consequences of a lost sale because of that choice.
  - bestnameever 3y ago

paulddraper 3y ago

Lack of iMessage support on Android.

insaneirish 3y ago
> Lack of iMessage support on Android. Plenty of other ways to send images.
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