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Of course there are rules. I think I read your comment carefully enough to make a statement, what I did. The people are demonstrating here before approval, aft

Of course there are rules. I think I read your comment carefully enough to make a statement, what I did. The people are demonstrating here before approval, after approval and even while the construction. It's all possible and is covered by our law. Actually: Tesla wants to extend its plant. The people living around that plant decided "no!" (Which I personally do not understand). There is a forest of monoculture trees beside that - the demonstrators have built tree houses and living now in it. They want to fight (and often did that already..). Extension of the plant is approved too.. The digging up of brown coal - the same. Here, it took like felt 5 years to remove all the demonstrators.. The pipelines, the power lines , the renewal wind energy generators - the people are demonstrating against all all the time. And it's approved too.. sometimes the projects are changed because of that, sometimes the police must regulate... But in the end, shot by water cannon is only possible if there is violance going of the demonstrators. If there's a possible solution for a change in project, then often the change is done. As I said. Demonstration is a human right and is also being written under the basic rights :) If you think, just because something got approved and because of this there shouldn't be any demonstrations or blocking anymore - I'll wait for the day a highway is built behind your house and then I remind you of your comment :) Peace.

gruez 3y ago
>But in the end, shot by water cannon is only possible if there is violance going of the demonstrators. If there's a possible solution for a change in project, then often the change is done. As I said. Demonstration is a human right and is also being written under the basic rights :) Are you saying that demonstrations should always be allowed as long as there's no "violence", even if it's interfering with other people's activities (eg. in the middle of a construction site)?. I'm pretty sure that's not how it works anywhere, because that basically allows anyone to veto any sort of activity by "protesting". That said I'm not an expert on American or German law so feel free to prove me wrong. :) >If you think, just because something got approved and because of this there shouldn't be any demonstrations or blocking anymore - I'll wait for the day a highway is built behind your house and then I remind you of your comment :) If you think, just because people have the right to protest and because of this you can't do anything about "protesters" - I'll wait for the day protesters decide to "protest" inside your house and then I remind you of your comment :)
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  Basically yes.. https://www.dw.com/en/freedom-of-assembly-in-germany-protected-but-regulated/a-39630488 https://www.dw.com/en/freedom-of-assembly-in-germany-protect... Privately owned houses, flats or other privately owned properties can't be entered without permission. The demonstrators can start a demonstration in my garden, yes, but the police will help here. And, no one would even think of doing so, because everyone knows thats illegal. This is different with companies. You can't enter, but you can block their parking space or demonstrate in front the maintenance. They can call the police, but they're can't do anything about that - public ground. Just remember the "occupy" movement that camped in front of banks in Frankfurt, Germany, and made it nearly impossible for the guys working there to enter their workplace. This restrictions of private property applies Without exception for every one, and for the police or other state organs like intelligence or ambulances. If, then, only a search warrant issued by a judge, who is bound to certain laws or on your invitation can enable them to enter without your ok.. and even that can be stopped by a lawyer. If it was unlawful, then everything they found must be given back or deleted. That's the way love goes - love for the rights of a single person. Nothing is more important so it is written in the basic law. So yes. I'll wait until the day you'll have a highway in your backyard :) and then I ask you, why didn't you demonstrate?
  - gruez 3y ago
    >You can't enter, but you can block their parking space or demonstrate in front the maintenance. They can call the police, but they're can't do anything about that - public ground. In the case of the pipeline protests though, they're not just protesting on the entrance on public roads, they're protesting in the construction site itself. Therefore everything you say doesn't seem to help the pipeline protesters. >So yes. I'll wait until the day you'll have a highway in your backyard :) and then I ask you, why didn't you demonstrate? Note I'm not against protesting per se. I'd consider and might very well protest at city hall by holding up signs or whatever. Should I fail to convince the public and/or the legislature to join my side, and couldn't get an ruling in my favor through the courts, I will accept my fate. I'm not going to throw a tamper tantrum by setting up an encampment in the middle of the highway construction path just because I didn't get what I want.

gruez 3y ago

>But in the end, shot by water cannon is only possible if there is violance going of the demonstrators. If there's a possible solution for a change in project, then often the change is done. As I said. Demonstration is a human right and is also being written under the basic rights :) Are you saying that demonstrations should always be allowed as long as there's no "violence", even if it's interfering with other people's activities (eg. in the middle of a construction site)?. I'm pretty sure that's not how it works anywhere, because that basically allows anyone to veto any sort of activity by "protesting". That said I'm not an expert on American or German law so feel free to prove me wrong. :) >If you think, just because something got approved and because of this there shouldn't be any demonstrations or blocking anymore - I'll wait for the day a highway is built behind your house and then I remind you of your comment :) If you think, just because people have the right to protest and because of this you can't do anything about "protesters" - I'll wait for the day protesters decide to "protest" inside your house and then I remind you of your comment :)

theGeatZhopa 3y ago
Basically yes.. https://www.dw.com/en/freedom-of-assembly-in-germany-protected-but-regulated/a-39630488 https://www.dw.com/en/freedom-of-assembly-in-germany-protect... Privately owned houses, flats or other privately owned properties can't be entered without permission. The demonstrators can start a demonstration in my garden, yes, but the police will help here. And, no one would even think of doing so, because everyone knows thats illegal. This is different with companies. You can't enter, but you can block their parking space or demonstrate in front the maintenance. They can call the police, but they're can't do anything about that - public ground. Just remember the "occupy" movement that camped in front of banks in Frankfurt, Germany, and made it nearly impossible for the guys working there to enter their workplace. This restrictions of private property applies Without exception for every one, and for the police or other state organs like intelligence or ambulances. If, then, only a search warrant issued by a judge, who is bound to certain laws or on your invitation can enable them to enter without your ok.. and even that can be stopped by a lawyer. If it was unlawful, then everything they found must be given back or deleted. That's the way love goes - love for the rights of a single person. Nothing is more important so it is written in the basic law. So yes. I'll wait until the day you'll have a highway in your backyard :) and then I ask you, why didn't you demonstrate?
- gruez 3y ago
  >You can't enter, but you can block their parking space or demonstrate in front the maintenance. They can call the police, but they're can't do anything about that - public ground. In the case of the pipeline protests though, they're not just protesting on the entrance on public roads, they're protesting in the construction site itself. Therefore everything you say doesn't seem to help the pipeline protesters. >So yes. I'll wait until the day you'll have a highway in your backyard :) and then I ask you, why didn't you demonstrate? Note I'm not against protesting per se. I'd consider and might very well protest at city hall by holding up signs or whatever. Should I fail to convince the public and/or the legislature to join my side, and couldn't get an ruling in my favor through the courts, I will accept my fate. I'm not going to throw a tamper tantrum by setting up an encampment in the middle of the highway construction path just because I didn't get what I want.