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I went through a similar progressions, or I guess I'm still in it. I have found multiple languages to replace aspect sof what I liked about Python but not one

I went through a similar progressions, or I guess I'm still in it. I have found multiple languages to replace aspect sof what I liked about Python but not one that addresses all of it. I think if F# existed on *nix in strong way I'd consider it a Python replacement.

Jtsummers 14y ago
What about OCaml/SML, or is .NET/Mono the thing that really sells it for you?
- sausagefeet 14y ago
  Ocaml, as a language, is amazing. But it's implementation isn't much better than Python's. No parallelism for example. And its ecosystem is worse than Python's in many ways, such as building code. I love the language, it's just the implementation that makes it an incomplete solution for me.
soc88 14y ago
Did you consider Scala? From my POV it could fit your bill pretty well. It has tons of data structures for pretty much every usecase, and even lists the complexity of various operations. All the data structures share the same API so replacing one with another is fairly painless. 2. — 8. are all no problem in Scala and running on the JVM means not having to worry about speed or stability anymore, while having all the superior tools of the JVM ecosystem for monitoring and debugging available to you. 9. Macros will ship as an experimental feature in 2.10, to make sure everything can be adjusted and fixed as necessary before declaring it stable. 10. Perl 5/6 is still ahead in Unicode, but judging from the Unicode presentation by Tom Christiansen the JVM is more or less on the second place, which fits with my experience. Overall Scala is a impressively well-designed language imho, although some people really dislike that it doesn't restrict method names like Java does.
- sausagefeet 14y ago
  I don't care for Scala. I find the language to be complicated without any strong benefit. The type inferencing isn't particularly good either, which is annoying. The JVM also hasn't made life easier for functional programmers yet. Compare Scala to Ocaml, in terms of language, and I think Ocaml simply blows it away for power relative to complexity.
lucian1900 14y ago
I've found I like almost every aspect of Clojure. I've yet to try to seriously replace Python with Clojure for any large project, but I plan to try it soon.

Jtsummers 14y ago

What about OCaml/SML, or is .NET/Mono the thing that really sells it for you?

sausagefeet 14y ago
Ocaml, as a language, is amazing. But it's implementation isn't much better than Python's. No parallelism for example. And its ecosystem is worse than Python's in many ways, such as building code. I love the language, it's just the implementation that makes it an incomplete solution for me.

soc88 14y ago

Did you consider Scala? From my POV it could fit your bill pretty well. It has tons of data structures for pretty much every usecase, and even lists the complexity of various operations. All the data structures share the same API so replacing one with another is fairly painless. 2. — 8. are all no problem in Scala and running on the JVM means not having to worry about speed or stability anymore, while having all the superior tools of the JVM ecosystem for monitoring and debugging available to you. 9. Macros will ship as an experimental feature in 2.10, to make sure everything can be adjusted and fixed as necessary before declaring it stable. 10. Perl 5/6 is still ahead in Unicode, but judging from the Unicode presentation by Tom Christiansen the JVM is more or less on the second place, which fits with my experience. Overall Scala is a impressively well-designed language imho, although some people really dislike that it doesn't restrict method names like Java does.

sausagefeet 14y ago
I don't care for Scala. I find the language to be complicated without any strong benefit. The type inferencing isn't particularly good either, which is annoying. The JVM also hasn't made life easier for functional programmers yet. Compare Scala to Ocaml, in terms of language, and I think Ocaml simply blows it away for power relative to complexity.

lucian1900 14y ago

I've found I like almost every aspect of Clojure. I've yet to try to seriously replace Python with Clojure for any large project, but I plan to try it soon.