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out of all the posts on HN right now about this, this one is by far the most insightful.
by bignoggins 14y ago
out of all the posts on HN right now about this, this one is by far the most insightful.
- czzarr 14y agomeh they're all about defending their own piece of meat. Sacha talks about his book, zedshaw talks about his books.
- zedshaw 14y agoDamn straight, because I actually care about this stuff. I mean, for all the talk on here about "passion" y'all sure do hate it when people actually are passionate.
- czzarr 14y agoyou could be talking about this stuff and be passionate about it without talking about your books. I understand why you do though.
- zedshaw 14y agoBut, I'm passionate about my books. There's nothing wrong with being proud of the things you do. Thinking that you have to never tout yourself is just a form of self-loathing really.
- cbs 14y agoZed, I think you're making the same mistake I did when I started reading hacker news. Passion means willingness to work your hands to the bone for the startup. Nobody here actually gives a shit about the craft itself. The only aspect of a professional discipline worth being passionate about it its ability to deliver the pie in the sky.
- vibrunazo 14y agoOf all the posts pointing what Jeff's flaw in logic was. The one post attacking his person instead, saying he's just a mindless bully that should be ignored. Is the most insightful?
- zedshaw 14y agoYes, because that's how life goes. I'm not going to attack the logic of an article that is illogical, I'm going to talk about the hypocrisy of the person writing it. The human stuff matters much more than the fantasy world of "logic".
- vibrunazo 14y agoI really hope you're speaking out of temporary rage. Please review this comment once you cool off.
- benatkin 14y agoHe isn't insulting Jeff as a person, nor is he even accusing him of deliberately being a hypocrite. He's just accusing him of a single instance of hypocritical behavior. Also people who won't listen to Jeff anymore because of this post, or are really angry at him, are likely being hypocritical. He's making the same sort of a mistake as a blogger that many will make as a programmer, especially if we don't discriminate who gets to try their hand at programming. He didn't ship this out to some scary production place where the blogging equivalent of exposing private data for thousands of user accounts might happen. He just blogged it. Likewise, for the most part, new programmers will be limited in the amount of damage they can do. Edit: I thought the blog post was civil. The talk on twitter isn't civil, though (in fact it seems Zed is the only one of the two who crossed that line). https://twitter.com/#!/zedshaw/status/202473102674894848 https://twitter.com/#!/zedshaw/status/202473102674894848
- sasha-dv 14y agoHypocrisy? Aren't you selling some ebooks and Jeff's post is kinda bad for your business?
- TruthElixirX 14y agoHe also provides all of his books, in their entirety, for free on his website. He even lets you see his "beta" books, Learn C the Hardway, Learn SQL The Hardway, etc.