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Or any nintendo or playstation or xbox. I can't just sideload games into any of them either.. or any of my 'smarttvs' etc. Would this mean that anyone must be

Or any nintendo or playstation or xbox. I can't just sideload games into any of them either.. or any of my 'smarttvs' etc. Would this mean that anyone must be able to load any software into any platform that runs on software, or are we just picking on apple because they are popular. And got popular while doing all these things.. if people didn't want it they wouldn't have bought into it in the first place.

metabagel 3y ago
Apple convinced us that only they could keep us safe. Turns out their argument is specious - they can't keep us safe either. They haven't been able to keep malicious apps off of their App Store.
rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago
> are we just picking on apple because they are popular "Popularity" is a precondition to running afoul of antitrust law, yes..
immibis 3y ago
They are probably not monopolies in the legal sense, since there are three of them with comparable market share and they also compete with the PC, which is open. I suspect there would be more pressure to do something about it if those weren't the case. Apple sells something like 70% of phones in the USA due to network effects that might not be apparent to users in other countries - social shaming for not using iMessage. The European equivalent is WhatsApp, which the EU is forcing to open up.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> are we just picking on apple because they are popula Well, yes, antitrust law specifically, by design, focusses more on large market players, not small ones (there are some aspects still relevant to any participant, though.) That's kind of central to the whole problem it is intended to solve.
- Foxhuls 3y ago
  So you would say that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are not large market players?
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    Which of those has not faced significant antitrust scrutiny?
    - Foxhuls 3y ago
      You could have initially responded with that instead of reasoning that apple is being focused due to being a large player while dismissing other large companies being brought up.
    - sleepybrett 3y ago
      sorry i can sideload my xbox and playstation. Just because they've been dinged for antitrust in other areas (i don't think sony has .. but certainly microsoft in my lifetime)..
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    Nope, 100M consoles in an internet of several billion where Apple has literal billions of devices in market are not at all the same thing and bringing that up suggests you don't think very hard before you post or you're trying to derail those who do.
    - Foxhuls 3y ago
      I’m sorry that me asking a question is so emotionally upsetting to you that it leads to you attempting to insult me. I’ll try not to ask anymore question about Microsoft the 3.19 trillion dollar company, Sony the 113 billion dollar company, and Nintendo the 10 billion dollar company. I hope my question didn’t hurt these mom and pop businesses. You also made me completely aware of the fact that these aren’t the big three players in the console market which is a pretty fair comparison to this situation. Thanks again for your wonderful contribution.
dzikimarian 3y ago
I've Google TV and it allows sideloading. Yes, it should be allowed for all devices.
autoexec 3y ago
> Or any nintendo or playstation or xbox. I can't just sideload games into any of them either Homebrew is a thing, and you should be able to use whatever software you want on a device that you paid for. I have no doubt that there are people who own an iphone and wish they could have a different browser, or wish they could use a game streaming app.
- sleepybrett 3y ago
  They absolutely can. I can compile and install anything i want on my iphone, have to have a dev account is all. Also i think there are still iphone jailbreaks to be had.
bombcar 3y ago
I would love all hardware to have an "open option" that disables all security keys, doesn't let you run signed software, whatever, but lets you "hack" the device. I'm also fine with Nintendo selling games via their store and physically, and taking whatever cut they can bear of it. (80% of App Store revenue is "games" anyway, so it's a much closer analogy than people might expect. They may end up opening everything except games and only cost them 20% of revenue.) Meanwhile you can get full advantage of the iPhone ecosystem "for $100/yr" which is nearly free, including App Store distribution, etc. If anything, Apple should be charged with dumping in those cases.
whywhywhywhy 3y ago
> or are we just picking on apple because they are popular I don't use my Playstation or Switch for banking, ordering taxis, my actual job, so there is a bit of a difference. Although consoles are another good example of how a locked down platform can make an experience hassle free and how that becomes a selling point.

metabagel 3y ago

Apple convinced us that only they could keep us safe. Turns out their argument is specious - they can't keep us safe either. They haven't been able to keep malicious apps off of their App Store.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y ago

> are we just picking on apple because they are popular "Popularity" is a precondition to running afoul of antitrust law, yes..

immibis 3y ago

They are probably not monopolies in the legal sense, since there are three of them with comparable market share and they also compete with the PC, which is open. I suspect there would be more pressure to do something about it if those weren't the case. Apple sells something like 70% of phones in the USA due to network effects that might not be apparent to users in other countries - social shaming for not using iMessage. The European equivalent is WhatsApp, which the EU is forcing to open up.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> are we just picking on apple because they are popula Well, yes, antitrust law specifically, by design, focusses more on large market players, not small ones (there are some aspects still relevant to any participant, though.) That's kind of central to the whole problem it is intended to solve.

Foxhuls 3y ago
So you would say that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are not large market players?
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Which of those has not faced significant antitrust scrutiny?
  - Foxhuls 3y ago
    You could have initially responded with that instead of reasoning that apple is being focused due to being a large player while dismissing other large companies being brought up.
  - sleepybrett 3y ago
    sorry i can sideload my xbox and playstation. Just because they've been dinged for antitrust in other areas (i don't think sony has .. but certainly microsoft in my lifetime)..
- asadotzler 3y ago
  Nope, 100M consoles in an internet of several billion where Apple has literal billions of devices in market are not at all the same thing and bringing that up suggests you don't think very hard before you post or you're trying to derail those who do.
  - Foxhuls 3y ago
    I’m sorry that me asking a question is so emotionally upsetting to you that it leads to you attempting to insult me. I’ll try not to ask anymore question about Microsoft the 3.19 trillion dollar company, Sony the 113 billion dollar company, and Nintendo the 10 billion dollar company. I hope my question didn’t hurt these mom and pop businesses. You also made me completely aware of the fact that these aren’t the big three players in the console market which is a pretty fair comparison to this situation. Thanks again for your wonderful contribution.

dzikimarian 3y ago

I've Google TV and it allows sideloading. Yes, it should be allowed for all devices.

autoexec 3y ago

> Or any nintendo or playstation or xbox. I can't just sideload games into any of them either Homebrew is a thing, and you should be able to use whatever software you want on a device that you paid for. I have no doubt that there are people who own an iphone and wish they could have a different browser, or wish they could use a game streaming app.

sleepybrett 3y ago
They absolutely can. I can compile and install anything i want on my iphone, have to have a dev account is all. Also i think there are still iphone jailbreaks to be had.

bombcar 3y ago

I would love all hardware to have an "open option" that disables all security keys, doesn't let you run signed software, whatever, but lets you "hack" the device. I'm also fine with Nintendo selling games via their store and physically, and taking whatever cut they can bear of it. (80% of App Store revenue is "games" anyway, so it's a much closer analogy than people might expect. They may end up opening everything except games and only cost them 20% of revenue.) Meanwhile you can get full advantage of the iPhone ecosystem "for $100/yr" which is nearly free, including App Store distribution, etc. If anything, Apple should be charged with dumping in those cases.

whywhywhywhy 3y ago

> or are we just picking on apple because they are popular I don't use my Playstation or Switch for banking, ordering taxis, my actual job, so there is a bit of a difference. Although consoles are another good example of how a locked down platform can make an experience hassle free and how that becomes a selling point.