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> I am willing (and believe I am) paying Apple a premium for a well curated and reviewed App Store (vs android) There is a plethora of evidence that this is no

> I am willing (and believe I am) paying Apple a premium for a well curated and reviewed App Store (vs android) There is a plethora of evidence that this is not the case. See this recent example: https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/08/a-fake-app-masquerading-as-password-manager-lastpass-just-got-pulled-from-the-app-store/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/08/a-fake-app-masquerading-as... (Yes, it was pulled, but that was _after_ the public noticed and LastPass had to issue a warning) > I just wish they would stop “double dipping “ and charging far in excess of their costs (and in excess of reasonable profit) to the app sellers. That quarterly growth has to come from somewhere! Line goes up!

overstay8930 3y ago
> There is a plethora of evidence that this is not the case. Do you have actual evidence for this claim? Because it's pretty widely accepted that the App Store has higher standards and quality, and you just cited a single case.
- dns_snek 3y ago
  10 malicious apps (2022) https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/26/ios-app-store-ad-fraud/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/26/ios-app-store-ad-fraud/ 7 malicious apps (2022) https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-malware-too-1849386738 https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-mal... 18 malicious apps (2019) https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fraud/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fr... Up to 4000 malicious apps (2015) https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34338362 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34338362
  - overstay8930 3y ago
    Are you seriously implying Apple catching 17 malware apps in 2022 means the App Store isn’t safer than being able to download whatever you want from the internet?
    - dns_snek 3y ago
      No, I just provided more examples as requested in an attempt to reduce confusion over which parts of the ecosystem are actually providing security. Apple app store is plagued by malicious apps as much as any other place on the internet, but what's making the difference - why these malicious apps are primarily engaging in ad fraud rather than stealing all of your personal data, is OS-level security. All Apple can do is revoke app certificates and pull the app from the store after someone else discovers their malicious nature. That's a very low bar that can be met by nearly every app store in existence and it would be a reasonable security requirement for anyone who's operating an alternative app store on iOS. The rest of it is just theater as there's no security-focused special sauce that Apple is providing in this area, despite prevailing beliefs. This is further demonstrated by their acceptance of an obvious impersonator like "LassPass".
- asadotzler 3y ago
  App review is a kid in China with an iPad playing with the app for 3-4 minutes. That's not worth a 30% cut of all app proceeds.
- amf12 3y ago
  Just recently from HN: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39685272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39685272 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33797623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33797623 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14526156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14526156
samatman 3y ago
It's always easy to show that something isn't perfect: just find a counterexample. It's also easy to multiply that tactic by insinuating that this means that it isn't good, or isn't better than the competition. Which is what you're doing here.
- dns_snek 3y ago
  That tends to happen when your entire argument hinges on something being (close to) perfect, like the app store review process.

overstay8930 3y ago

> There is a plethora of evidence that this is not the case. Do you have actual evidence for this claim? Because it's pretty widely accepted that the App Store has higher standards and quality, and you just cited a single case.

dns_snek 3y ago
10 malicious apps (2022) https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/26/ios-app-store-ad-fraud/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/26/ios-app-store-ad-fraud/ 7 malicious apps (2022) https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-malware-too-1849386738 https://lifehacker.com/great-now-the-apple-app-store-has-mal... 18 malicious apps (2019) https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fraud/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fr... Up to 4000 malicious apps (2015) https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34338362 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34338362
- overstay8930 3y ago
  Are you seriously implying Apple catching 17 malware apps in 2022 means the App Store isn’t safer than being able to download whatever you want from the internet?
  - dns_snek 3y ago
    No, I just provided more examples as requested in an attempt to reduce confusion over which parts of the ecosystem are actually providing security. Apple app store is plagued by malicious apps as much as any other place on the internet, but what's making the difference - why these malicious apps are primarily engaging in ad fraud rather than stealing all of your personal data, is OS-level security. All Apple can do is revoke app certificates and pull the app from the store after someone else discovers their malicious nature. That's a very low bar that can be met by nearly every app store in existence and it would be a reasonable security requirement for anyone who's operating an alternative app store on iOS. The rest of it is just theater as there's no security-focused special sauce that Apple is providing in this area, despite prevailing beliefs. This is further demonstrated by their acceptance of an obvious impersonator like "LassPass".
asadotzler 3y ago
App review is a kid in China with an iPad playing with the app for 3-4 minutes. That's not worth a 30% cut of all app proceeds.
amf12 3y ago
Just recently from HN: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39685272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39685272 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33797623 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33797623 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14526156 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14526156

samatman 3y ago

It's always easy to show that something isn't perfect: just find a counterexample. It's also easy to multiply that tactic by insinuating that this means that it isn't good, or isn't better than the competition. Which is what you're doing here.

dns_snek 3y ago
That tends to happen when your entire argument hinges on something being (close to) perfect, like the app store review process.