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The point the suit misses is that one can simply buy an Android phone if they like. Millions of people literally do every year. Choice already exists.

Workaccount2 3y ago
If you want to have a functional social circle in the US, choice doesn't really exist.
- overstay8930 3y ago
  If your friends won't talk to you because you have an Android phone, you don't actually have any friends.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Friends will still talk to you. But they won't include you in group messages because apple purposely sabotages group messages with anyone outside the garden. Unsurprisingly, a lot social planning and banter happens in those group messages.
- nottorp 3y ago
  I'm sure you've seen this before, but only the US uses text messages any more. The rest of the world is on cross platform apps and couldn't care less what their friends type from.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    This lawsuit pertains to the US only... Also, most of the US doesn't use text messages either, they use platform dependent iMessage. Hence the lock in.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      They do on average, or they just think they're sending SMS messages that have somehow improved? :)
  - npteljes 3y ago
    >couldn't care less what their friends type from. Not really. They have ties to specific platforms, just that the platform is not tied to hardware. So it's either installing the app, or losing the connections, same as with the iPhone.
    - nottorp 3y ago
      I don't know, I have like ... 4-5 "platforms" on my phone. Not counting iMessage. It somehow was a lot easier than migrating my data to an Android phone, for example.
      - npteljes 3y ago
        Easier, maybe, but the users are still married to the platforms, now with the added annoyance that there is no cross-talk between the apps at all. Network effect is a huge thing, and the only difference between iMessage and Whatsapp for example is that Whatsapp doesn't have the hardware to lock the users into. So getting back to the original point, OP bemoans that in order to communicate with some people, one has to have an iPhone. With other apps, you just need to have the specific app. Maybe not as bad, we could say, but the phenomenon is the same: in order to contact some people, you have to install their specific app. No other way in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
        nottorp 3y ago
        Of course, but neither Apple nor Google built Whatsapp into their OS. Can't even blame Facebook, I've had whatsapp before they bought it. I even paid the 0.99 they were charging iOS users before 2016 *. * year pulled out of Gemini so may be inaccurate.
        npteljes 3y ago
        That's true. Apple is the leader in the vertical integration, and the resulting lock-in, in consumer smart tech.
- samatman 3y ago
  Social pressure to use a particular phone and messaging app does not a monopoly make.
CPLX 3y ago
Here's the first paragraph of the actual lawsuit. So no, I feel like they probably didn't miss the point that Android exists: COMPLAINT In 2010, a top Apple executive emailed Appl e’s then-CEO about an ad for the new Kindle e-reader. The ad began with a woman who was using her iPhone to buy and read books on the Kindle app. She then switches to an Androi d smartphone and continues to read her books using the same Kindle app. The executive wrote to Jobs: one “ message that can’t be missed is that it is easy to switch from iPhone to Android. Not fun to watch. ” Jobs was clear in his response: Apple would “force” deve lopers to use its payment system to lock in both developers and users on its platform. Over many years, Apple has repeat edly responded to competitive threats like this one by making it harder or more expensive for its users and developers to leave than by making it more attr active for them to stay.

Workaccount2 3y ago

If you want to have a functional social circle in the US, choice doesn't really exist.

overstay8930 3y ago
If your friends won't talk to you because you have an Android phone, you don't actually have any friends.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  Friends will still talk to you. But they won't include you in group messages because apple purposely sabotages group messages with anyone outside the garden. Unsurprisingly, a lot social planning and banter happens in those group messages.
nottorp 3y ago
I'm sure you've seen this before, but only the US uses text messages any more. The rest of the world is on cross platform apps and couldn't care less what their friends type from.
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  This lawsuit pertains to the US only... Also, most of the US doesn't use text messages either, they use platform dependent iMessage. Hence the lock in.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    They do on average, or they just think they're sending SMS messages that have somehow improved? :)
- npteljes 3y ago
  >couldn't care less what their friends type from. Not really. They have ties to specific platforms, just that the platform is not tied to hardware. So it's either installing the app, or losing the connections, same as with the iPhone.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    I don't know, I have like ... 4-5 "platforms" on my phone. Not counting iMessage. It somehow was a lot easier than migrating my data to an Android phone, for example.
    - npteljes 3y ago
      Easier, maybe, but the users are still married to the platforms, now with the added annoyance that there is no cross-talk between the apps at all. Network effect is a huge thing, and the only difference between iMessage and Whatsapp for example is that Whatsapp doesn't have the hardware to lock the users into. So getting back to the original point, OP bemoans that in order to communicate with some people, one has to have an iPhone. With other apps, you just need to have the specific app. Maybe not as bad, we could say, but the phenomenon is the same: in order to contact some people, you have to install their specific app. No other way in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect
      - nottorp 3y ago
        Of course, but neither Apple nor Google built Whatsapp into their OS. Can't even blame Facebook, I've had whatsapp before they bought it. I even paid the 0.99 they were charging iOS users before 2016 *. * year pulled out of Gemini so may be inaccurate.
        npteljes 3y ago
        That's true. Apple is the leader in the vertical integration, and the resulting lock-in, in consumer smart tech.
samatman 3y ago
Social pressure to use a particular phone and messaging app does not a monopoly make.

CPLX 3y ago

Here's the first paragraph of the actual lawsuit. So no, I feel like they probably didn't miss the point that Android exists: COMPLAINT In 2010, a top Apple executive emailed Appl e’s then-CEO about an ad for the new Kindle e-reader. The ad began with a woman who was using her iPhone to buy and read books on the Kindle app. She then switches to an Androi d smartphone and continues to read her books using the same Kindle app. The executive wrote to Jobs: one “ message that can’t be missed is that it is easy to switch from iPhone to Android. Not fun to watch. ” Jobs was clear in his response: Apple would “force” deve lopers to use its payment system to lock in both developers and users on its platform. Over many years, Apple has repeat edly responded to competitive threats like this one by making it harder or more expensive for its users and developers to leave than by making it more attr active for them to stay.