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Remember the fuss over Ventilators. People saying "don't put people with weak pulmonary capillaries on these machines" were "trying to kill everyone" then just

Remember the fuss over Ventilators. People saying "don't put people with weak pulmonary capillaries on these machines" were "trying to kill everyone" then just ignored. That pattern kept repeating with anyone attempting to point out risks and problems: "we're all in this together, pull your oar" into disaster.

krisoft 3y ago
> Remember the fuss over Ventilators. I do. Although they are written with a lower case letter. Just "ventilators". > People saying "don't put people with weak pulmonary capillaries on these machines" were "trying to kill everyone" then just ignored. We have people who specialises in respiratory support. Figuring when to put someone on a ventilator, and what type of ventilation they require and for how long are complex questions. There are many many dangers involved which the doctors working with these procedures are very well aware of. These decisions are best made by the patient/patient's legal healthcare proxy in consultation with the healthcare team. Everyone else can be and should be ignored quite honestly.
- TMWNN 3y ago
  >We have people who specialises in respiratory support. Figuring when to put someone on a ventilator, and what type of ventilation they require and for how long are complex questions. There are many many dangers involved which the doctors working with these procedures are very well aware of. These decisions are best made by the patient/patient's legal healthcare proxy in consultation with the healthcare team. What kind of "the experts always know what they're doing" pablum is this? h2odragon's point is that those specialists were completely wrong. >Everyone else can be and should be ignored quite honestly. This article from April 2020 <https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-...> was completely vindicated in retrospect.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    > What kind of "the experts always know what they're doing" pablum is this? Didn't write anything like that. > This article from April 2020 <https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-... https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-...> was completely vindicated in retrospect. "some critical care physicians" those are the experts I'm talking about. "Sohan Japa, an internal medicine physician at Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital" That's an expert I'm talking about.
phmqk76 3y ago
Remember when medicine was unequipped to deal with COVID because it presented as-yet unforeseen challenges in treatment? It was a crazy time, I remember it well. It took months, but practices and procedures caught up. It wasn’t perfect, and I hope that we’ve learned enough that next time we do better. But medical professionals gave every ounce of their beings and sacrificed their safety, and often their lives, to provide medical care for a novel disease. While I’m sure you sat on your ass remote working from home.

krisoft 3y ago

> Remember the fuss over Ventilators. I do. Although they are written with a lower case letter. Just "ventilators". > People saying "don't put people with weak pulmonary capillaries on these machines" were "trying to kill everyone" then just ignored. We have people who specialises in respiratory support. Figuring when to put someone on a ventilator, and what type of ventilation they require and for how long are complex questions. There are many many dangers involved which the doctors working with these procedures are very well aware of. These decisions are best made by the patient/patient's legal healthcare proxy in consultation with the healthcare team. Everyone else can be and should be ignored quite honestly.

TMWNN 3y ago
>We have people who specialises in respiratory support. Figuring when to put someone on a ventilator, and what type of ventilation they require and for how long are complex questions. There are many many dangers involved which the doctors working with these procedures are very well aware of. These decisions are best made by the patient/patient's legal healthcare proxy in consultation with the healthcare team. What kind of "the experts always know what they're doing" pablum is this? h2odragon's point is that those specialists were completely wrong. >Everyone else can be and should be ignored quite honestly. This article from April 2020 <https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/ https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-...> was completely vindicated in retrospect.
- krisoft 3y ago
  > What kind of "the experts always know what they're doing" pablum is this? Didn't write anything like that. > This article from April 2020 <https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-... https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-...> was completely vindicated in retrospect. "some critical care physicians" those are the experts I'm talking about. "Sohan Japa, an internal medicine physician at Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital" That's an expert I'm talking about.

phmqk76 3y ago

Remember when medicine was unequipped to deal with COVID because it presented as-yet unforeseen challenges in treatment? It was a crazy time, I remember it well. It took months, but practices and procedures caught up. It wasn’t perfect, and I hope that we’ve learned enough that next time we do better. But medical professionals gave every ounce of their beings and sacrificed their safety, and often their lives, to provide medical care for a novel disease. While I’m sure you sat on your ass remote working from home.