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Old style interface on a development focused lemmy instance has completely replaced reddit usage for me This is the equivalent of /r/all across the lemmy world

by WA9ACE 3y ago

Old style interface on a development focused lemmy instance has completely replaced reddit usage for me This is the equivalent of /r/all across the lemmy world https://old.programming.dev/?sort=Active&listingType=All https://old.programming.dev/?sort=Active&listingType=All

europeanNyan 3y ago
It looks like Old Reddit, but the content is New Reddit. It's just a stream of political dreck and virtue signalling. I really don't need to see Trump in every second post and read about people who hate cars, meat, Twitter, Reddit, etc.
- Goronmon 3y ago
  I really don't need to see Trump in every second post and read about people who hate cars, meat, Twitter, Reddit, etc. Exactly. All I see online is people talking about politics, their jobs, their families, their hobbies, the environment, technology, etc.
- piaste 3y ago
  Yeah, Lemmy is a pretty decent platform but the suggestion of browsing "All" is godawful, if one is looking for something closer to pre-smartphone internet. You need to curate your homepage a bit to get a good Lemmy experience. The tech side may be like Reddit, but the human aspect is more like a couple dozen vBulletin forums rolled into one. Some of the instances are (imo) full of straight-up insane and, worse, perpetually angry people. Some instance admins may be power-hungry and prone to drama - but you might not care if the only subreddit you follow from their instance is c/jazz and you just click on Youtube/Spotify links from it. Is it a pain? Yes. But I still prefer to deal with a couple dozen weirdos than with a single billion-dollar company.
  - dingnuts 3y ago
    >Some of the instances are (imo) full of straight-up insane and, worse, perpetually angry people This has been true for every instance of every Fedi thing I've ever tried to use or thought of using. And many instances block single-user instances so forget about running your own unless you only want to interact with the absolute fringest nutjob basement-dwellers -- because the "mainstream" Fedi is already fringe. I once had the dumb impulse to reply to someone who was mad about fluoride in drinking water with "you probably get more fluoride from your toothpaste" and I deleted my account as I started to receive arguments about brushing your teeth, as it made me realize exactly the kind of people I would be interacting with on this network. Honestly I think this is grows out of the incentives for operating a homeserver. There's a negative financial incentive so you must have some other kind of motivator, likely a desire for influence or power.
    - mardef 3y ago
      Similarly, I replied to someone suggesting they pay for a service and I received multiple replies suggesting I kill myself. This wasn't on some random Marxist community, this was on one of the big tech communities.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        Internet death threats are so common and boring that I only notice the amusingly new ones, like “I hope you can take advantage of Canadian healthcare.”
    - ctrw 3y ago
      The way to save the internet is to force everyone to have a recent picture of themselves next to any post they make.
      - chownie 3y ago
        That would almost certainly end up with the internet becoming one gigantic linkedin and everyone leaving it to flock to whichever underground 4chan-esque service pops up with a promise of pseudonymity.
      - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
        Is that why Facebook is such a nice and balanced website?
        ctrw 3y ago
        You uncle McRacy doesn't have 200,000 followers. Your cousin McFatt does.
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        That's actually how you kill the internet. This won't change people's minds. They'll still think all those "offensive" things. They just won't post them publicly anymore because of the social consequences. You'll never know what people are really thinking. I prefer to know. I want to experience the full spectrum of humanity.
- dzikimarian 3y ago
  Hate is keyword here. I really wanted to like Lemmy, but almost all instances are full of frustrated hateful people. Even if sometimes rightfully it's still to toxic. Wild tankies appearing here and there are no help either.
- rglullis 3y ago
  Sorry to say "you are holding it wrong", but browsing by all is just terrible. Much like reddit, things improve a lot if you subscribe to the communities that interest you and ignore everything else. Granted, Lemmy's issue is that the user base is not large enough to have developed a long tail of interesting communities, but hopefully this will change as it grows. Also, I know that finding the communities is difficult, so I've put together a website to work as a crowdsource of reddit-to-lemmy communities, https://fediverser.network https://fediverser.network
account42 3y ago
How's the built in censorship and cultural bias with Lemmy?
- runjake 3y ago
  It definitely seems to lean left, from my (American) view. That might be because most of the western world would classify as left by my (American) standards? There have been some right-wing and far-right instances, but they seem to get de-federated by the majority. Hope that helps.
  - concordDance 3y ago
    "Left" and "right" tend to decoher once you move outside a particular political space into another (e.g. one country to another). The UK right wing party introduced gay marriage, but even the most left wing part of the country (Scotland) isn't particularly progressive (e.g. majority disapproval of allowing gender self identification to 16). Similarly, trying to judge the UK on racial issues by US standards gets quite confusing. The common British attitude towards Romani would make even the confederate flag wavers of Texas call them racists. On the other hand, there's full support for plenty of state intervention and state support, e.g. pretty much no one says they want to abolish the NHS.
    - antod 3y ago
      > Similarly, trying to judge the UK on racial issues by US standards gets quite confusing. The common British attitude towards Romani would make even the confederate flag wavers of Texas call them racists. Not directly related to Romani treatment in Britain (not familiar enough with that to judge), but sometimes I wonder if the english language needs better words to distinguish between race based bigotry and culture based bigotry. eg often I notice for a person there will be a difference in how they treat/view "acclimatised" descendants of immigrants vs new immigrants due to being ostensibly the same race but different culturally. Of course racists will still have bigotry for both groups.
      - 3y ago
jcrash 3y ago
Thanks for this link, this is great

by WA9ACE 3y ago

europeanNyan 3y ago

It looks like Old Reddit, but the content is New Reddit. It's just a stream of political dreck and virtue signalling. I really don't need to see Trump in every second post and read about people who hate cars, meat, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Goronmon 3y ago
I really don't need to see Trump in every second post and read about people who hate cars, meat, Twitter, Reddit, etc. Exactly. All I see online is people talking about politics, their jobs, their families, their hobbies, the environment, technology, etc.
piaste 3y ago
Yeah, Lemmy is a pretty decent platform but the suggestion of browsing "All" is godawful, if one is looking for something closer to pre-smartphone internet. You need to curate your homepage a bit to get a good Lemmy experience. The tech side may be like Reddit, but the human aspect is more like a couple dozen vBulletin forums rolled into one. Some of the instances are (imo) full of straight-up insane and, worse, perpetually angry people. Some instance admins may be power-hungry and prone to drama - but you might not care if the only subreddit you follow from their instance is c/jazz and you just click on Youtube/Spotify links from it. Is it a pain? Yes. But I still prefer to deal with a couple dozen weirdos than with a single billion-dollar company.
- dingnuts 3y ago
  >Some of the instances are (imo) full of straight-up insane and, worse, perpetually angry people This has been true for every instance of every Fedi thing I've ever tried to use or thought of using. And many instances block single-user instances so forget about running your own unless you only want to interact with the absolute fringest nutjob basement-dwellers -- because the "mainstream" Fedi is already fringe. I once had the dumb impulse to reply to someone who was mad about fluoride in drinking water with "you probably get more fluoride from your toothpaste" and I deleted my account as I started to receive arguments about brushing your teeth, as it made me realize exactly the kind of people I would be interacting with on this network. Honestly I think this is grows out of the incentives for operating a homeserver. There's a negative financial incentive so you must have some other kind of motivator, likely a desire for influence or power.
  - mardef 3y ago
    Similarly, I replied to someone suggesting they pay for a service and I received multiple replies suggesting I kill myself. This wasn't on some random Marxist community, this was on one of the big tech communities.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Internet death threats are so common and boring that I only notice the amusingly new ones, like “I hope you can take advantage of Canadian healthcare.”
  - ctrw 3y ago
    The way to save the internet is to force everyone to have a recent picture of themselves next to any post they make.
    - chownie 3y ago
      That would almost certainly end up with the internet becoming one gigantic linkedin and everyone leaving it to flock to whichever underground 4chan-esque service pops up with a promise of pseudonymity.
    - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
      Is that why Facebook is such a nice and balanced website?
      - ctrw 3y ago
        You uncle McRacy doesn't have 200,000 followers. Your cousin McFatt does.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      That's actually how you kill the internet. This won't change people's minds. They'll still think all those "offensive" things. They just won't post them publicly anymore because of the social consequences. You'll never know what people are really thinking. I prefer to know. I want to experience the full spectrum of humanity.
dzikimarian 3y ago
Hate is keyword here. I really wanted to like Lemmy, but almost all instances are full of frustrated hateful people. Even if sometimes rightfully it's still to toxic. Wild tankies appearing here and there are no help either.
rglullis 3y ago
Sorry to say "you are holding it wrong", but browsing by all is just terrible. Much like reddit, things improve a lot if you subscribe to the communities that interest you and ignore everything else. Granted, Lemmy's issue is that the user base is not large enough to have developed a long tail of interesting communities, but hopefully this will change as it grows. Also, I know that finding the communities is difficult, so I've put together a website to work as a crowdsource of reddit-to-lemmy communities, https://fediverser.network https://fediverser.network

account42 3y ago

How's the built in censorship and cultural bias with Lemmy?

runjake 3y ago
It definitely seems to lean left, from my (American) view. That might be because most of the western world would classify as left by my (American) standards? There have been some right-wing and far-right instances, but they seem to get de-federated by the majority. Hope that helps.
- concordDance 3y ago
  "Left" and "right" tend to decoher once you move outside a particular political space into another (e.g. one country to another). The UK right wing party introduced gay marriage, but even the most left wing part of the country (Scotland) isn't particularly progressive (e.g. majority disapproval of allowing gender self identification to 16). Similarly, trying to judge the UK on racial issues by US standards gets quite confusing. The common British attitude towards Romani would make even the confederate flag wavers of Texas call them racists. On the other hand, there's full support for plenty of state intervention and state support, e.g. pretty much no one says they want to abolish the NHS.
  - antod 3y ago
    > Similarly, trying to judge the UK on racial issues by US standards gets quite confusing. The common British attitude towards Romani would make even the confederate flag wavers of Texas call them racists. Not directly related to Romani treatment in Britain (not familiar enough with that to judge), but sometimes I wonder if the english language needs better words to distinguish between race based bigotry and culture based bigotry. eg often I notice for a person there will be a difference in how they treat/view "acclimatised" descendants of immigrants vs new immigrants due to being ostensibly the same race but different culturally. Of course racists will still have bigotry for both groups.
    - 3y ago

jcrash 3y ago

Thanks for this link, this is great