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I think as with most things, setting an example is the only way. I knew I wouldn't be able to credibly ask my children not to use a smartphone if I myself was

I think as with most things, setting an example is the only way. I knew I wouldn't be able to credibly ask my children not to use a smartphone if I myself was addicted to it.

posix_monad 3y ago
Why? Adults drink alcohol, drive cars, watch pornography, play violent video games, get tattoos, go skydiving, ... --- Edit: Seems like I wasn't clear enough. I'm saying it's perfectly fine to tell children that different rules apply to them until they are adults.
- wenebego 3y ago
  Im glad no kids do those things trying to emulate older people they've seen doing those things
  - posix_monad 3y ago
    Yep, let's all go to bed at 8pm to lead by example.
    - throw_pm23 3y ago
      You mean this sarcastically, but in my experience indeed this is the only way to get kids to go to sleep early.
- notRobot 3y ago
  Yeah, and if your kids see you doing all that you definitely won't be able to stop them from picking up whichever ones they like. Edit re edit: Saying different rules apply isn't enough, examples still need to be set. Kids learn from what they see a lot more than what they are told.
- spacecadet 3y ago
  Great comeback! OP shouldn't have children. But hey Im glad this trend is changing- the unspoken solve for environment is reducing in headcount. Zing!
  - sublinear 3y ago
    I think you're missing their point. People with poor impulse control shouldn't have kids. The most well organized, highly educated, and disciplined people tend to be either single (millennials) or married without kids (gen x) by choice. This isn't even a new problem, but now we blame the internet instead of (just) video games and tv.
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    - brayhite 3y ago
      > The most well organized, highly educated, and disciplined people tend to be either single (millennials) or married without kids (gen x) by choice. Source? I’m interpreting this to mean either 1. Of all people who are those things, a majority are single or intentionally childless, and/or 2. There is a positive correlation between being single and/or intentionally childless, and the qualities you mentioned.
    - spacecadet 3y ago
      Fantasy thinking! 99% of people including "smart" people, in your bubble, have kids with 0 thought or planning... Hell didn't you see Oppenheimen? Like all white men, he knocked someone up and like a coward had it removed. Just don't. Self control trumps intelligence most of the time.
- mcny 3y ago
  I still believe the best course of action is for most people to CHOOSE to not have children. There is no law that says I have to have children. You can’t put me in prison because I failed to create 2.1 or more children. I want everyone to reject societal expectations and elect (from their own personal choice) to refuse to have children. Everybody should have a right to have children. As a corollary, everyone has a right to NOT have children. With US society as hostile as ever to parents, We must take a stand. No more children.

I think as with most things, setting an example is the only way. I knew I wouldn't be able to credibly ask my children not to use a smartphone if I myself was addicted to it.

posix_monad 3y ago

Why? Adults drink alcohol, drive cars, watch pornography, play violent video games, get tattoos, go skydiving, ... --- Edit: Seems like I wasn't clear enough. I'm saying it's perfectly fine to tell children that different rules apply to them until they are adults.

wenebego 3y ago
Im glad no kids do those things trying to emulate older people they've seen doing those things
- posix_monad 3y ago
  Yep, let's all go to bed at 8pm to lead by example.
  - throw_pm23 3y ago
    You mean this sarcastically, but in my experience indeed this is the only way to get kids to go to sleep early.
notRobot 3y ago
Yeah, and if your kids see you doing all that you definitely won't be able to stop them from picking up whichever ones they like. Edit re edit: Saying different rules apply isn't enough, examples still need to be set. Kids learn from what they see a lot more than what they are told.
spacecadet 3y ago
Great comeback! OP shouldn't have children. But hey Im glad this trend is changing- the unspoken solve for environment is reducing in headcount. Zing!
- sublinear 3y ago
  I think you're missing their point. People with poor impulse control shouldn't have kids. The most well organized, highly educated, and disciplined people tend to be either single (millennials) or married without kids (gen x) by choice. This isn't even a new problem, but now we blame the internet instead of (just) video games and tv.
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  - brayhite 3y ago
    > The most well organized, highly educated, and disciplined people tend to be either single (millennials) or married without kids (gen x) by choice. Source? I’m interpreting this to mean either 1. Of all people who are those things, a majority are single or intentionally childless, and/or 2. There is a positive correlation between being single and/or intentionally childless, and the qualities you mentioned.
  - spacecadet 3y ago
    Fantasy thinking! 99% of people including "smart" people, in your bubble, have kids with 0 thought or planning... Hell didn't you see Oppenheimen? Like all white men, he knocked someone up and like a coward had it removed. Just don't. Self control trumps intelligence most of the time.
mcny 3y ago
I still believe the best course of action is for most people to CHOOSE to not have children. There is no law that says I have to have children. You can’t put me in prison because I failed to create 2.1 or more children. I want everyone to reject societal expectations and elect (from their own personal choice) to refuse to have children. Everybody should have a right to have children. As a corollary, everyone has a right to NOT have children. With US society as hostile as ever to parents, We must take a stand. No more children.