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The bricklayer knows what the end result will be, how it's going to be used, and sets the rates accordingly. After a photo shoot you can end up in the bin, or s

The bricklayer knows what the end result will be, how it's going to be used, and sets the rates accordingly. After a photo shoot you can end up in the bin, or shown probably close to a million times a day to people around the world for decades.

echoangle 3y ago
If the people selling photographs don’t like that, they should license them accordingly, right?
- viraptor 3y ago
  In some imagined utopia, sure. Currently the bar to clear is "stop the production companies from eliminating most actors and destroying the the cinema as it exists" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike I'm not sure who will want to discuss licensing rather than getting another person who needs money immediately and won't ask so many questions. Assuming they'll even bother with a model rather than an AI setup fixed up by a contracted graphics person.
  - echoangle 3y ago
    Correct, that should tell you everything you need to know about the market value, and why they don’t get constant royalties for images. There’s a lot of competition because many people are willing to do it for little money. I do not understand why people think this is bad though, that’s just how the market value of services is determined.
account42 3y ago
So you think the brick layer should be paid different amounts if the building ends up being used as a soup kitchen or office building?
- viraptor 3y ago
  You know the comparison is flawed and the two kinds of work are very different in almost every way. I expect some kinds of work to be measured in different ways than other, in the same way I don't think programmers should be paid per keypress.
  - globular-toast 3y ago
    Bricklayers aren't paid by the brick either. They are paid usually by the job (e.g. "build this wall") or by the hour, just like programmers and models. It's really not that different. The bricklayer's wall could become part of a very valuable property in the future (say if the area became highly desirable), or it could be subject to a natural disaster and fall down. Just like the model's pictures could end up everywhere, or in the bin. But they take on none of that risk. I reckon a model wouldn't do very well at all with taking the risk. A photographer could probably get through a hundred models in a week and bin 99 of them without giving them a penny.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      to nitpick your numbers, working a 40 hour week, 100 models is 24 minutes a model, which isn't enough. 3 hours per model working 40 hour weeks has them getting through 13(.3) models, and even 3 hours seems low.
      - defrost 3y ago
        You're aware that photographs often have more than one person in them? Some professional photographers stage scenes with hundreds of nude people in them?
        fragmede 3y ago
        What? No. That's impossible. Seriously though, it's just math.

echoangle 3y ago

If the people selling photographs don’t like that, they should license them accordingly, right?

viraptor 3y ago
In some imagined utopia, sure. Currently the bar to clear is "stop the production companies from eliminating most actors and destroying the the cinema as it exists" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_SAG-AFTRA_strike I'm not sure who will want to discuss licensing rather than getting another person who needs money immediately and won't ask so many questions. Assuming they'll even bother with a model rather than an AI setup fixed up by a contracted graphics person.
- echoangle 3y ago
  Correct, that should tell you everything you need to know about the market value, and why they don’t get constant royalties for images. There’s a lot of competition because many people are willing to do it for little money. I do not understand why people think this is bad though, that’s just how the market value of services is determined.

account42 3y ago

So you think the brick layer should be paid different amounts if the building ends up being used as a soup kitchen or office building?

viraptor 3y ago
You know the comparison is flawed and the two kinds of work are very different in almost every way. I expect some kinds of work to be measured in different ways than other, in the same way I don't think programmers should be paid per keypress.
- globular-toast 3y ago
  Bricklayers aren't paid by the brick either. They are paid usually by the job (e.g. "build this wall") or by the hour, just like programmers and models. It's really not that different. The bricklayer's wall could become part of a very valuable property in the future (say if the area became highly desirable), or it could be subject to a natural disaster and fall down. Just like the model's pictures could end up everywhere, or in the bin. But they take on none of that risk. I reckon a model wouldn't do very well at all with taking the risk. A photographer could probably get through a hundred models in a week and bin 99 of them without giving them a penny.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    to nitpick your numbers, working a 40 hour week, 100 models is 24 minutes a model, which isn't enough. 3 hours per model working 40 hour weeks has them getting through 13(.3) models, and even 3 hours seems low.
    - defrost 3y ago
      You're aware that photographs often have more than one person in them? Some professional photographers stage scenes with hundreds of nude people in them?
      - fragmede 3y ago
        What? No. That's impossible. Seriously though, it's just math.