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No. The problem is that we live in a society where everything anybody does needs to have a financial motive, otherwise you get fucked. And you drank the big cor

by shafyy 3y ago

No. The problem is that we live in a society where everything anybody does needs to have a financial motive, otherwise you get fucked. And you drank the big corp kool-aid in gallons if you truly think defending a dude that just earned $193M on a public forum is something sensible to do.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> problem is that we live in a society where everything anybody does needs to have a financial motive But it doesn’t. Exhibit A: Reddit moderators. (Exhibit B: this thread, and this comment.) If you find value in moderating, moderate. This is purely a problem of sour grapes—Reddit never pretended to be an Altman-esque non-profit.
romwell 3y ago
They're not defending the CEO, it seems, but rather shift the blame onto volunteer mods who put in the hours into sustaining a commercial platform rather than joining a "community-run" one. Which isn't making it a better argument, since there are many reasons why online communities form where they do, and "community-run" platforms aren't necessarily an option. This platform isn't "community-run" either, and yet the parent commenter is participating here (and thus is "the problem" too), so I think they should get off the high horse.
caseyy 3y ago
I didn’t read it as a strong defense of the CEO. I also agree that labor needs to have appropriate self-worth and eschew being exploited. This causes many problems in many industries, such as downwards pressure on wages and labor negotiating power. For example, Reddit mods have recently had their negotiating power checked in the blackout protests. Exploitation, when it’s so voluntary, is definitely a dance that takes two. Both parties are responsible for the situation that arose. The abused party, of course, we can sympathize more with. But they could always have chosen and even today they can choose to not engage anymore.

by shafyy 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> problem is that we live in a society where everything anybody does needs to have a financial motive But it doesn’t. Exhibit A: Reddit moderators. (Exhibit B: this thread, and this comment.) If you find value in moderating, moderate. This is purely a problem of sour grapes—Reddit never pretended to be an Altman-esque non-profit.

romwell 3y ago

They're not defending the CEO, it seems, but rather shift the blame onto volunteer mods who put in the hours into sustaining a commercial platform rather than joining a "community-run" one. Which isn't making it a better argument, since there are many reasons why online communities form where they do, and "community-run" platforms aren't necessarily an option. This platform isn't "community-run" either, and yet the parent commenter is participating here (and thus is "the problem" too), so I think they should get off the high horse.

caseyy 3y ago

I didn’t read it as a strong defense of the CEO. I also agree that labor needs to have appropriate self-worth and eschew being exploited. This causes many problems in many industries, such as downwards pressure on wages and labor negotiating power. For example, Reddit mods have recently had their negotiating power checked in the blackout protests. Exploitation, when it’s so voluntary, is definitely a dance that takes two. Both parties are responsible for the situation that arose. The abused party, of course, we can sympathize more with. But they could always have chosen and even today they can choose to not engage anymore.