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Also - as a side note - everyone in this comment thread kvetching about your tool’s price clearly doesn’t understand: 1) the value a good EE design brings to a

Also - as a side note - everyone in this comment thread kvetching about your tool’s price clearly doesn’t understand: 1) the value a good EE design brings to an organization, or 2) the amount of money selling electronics is worth to a company You have to feed yourselves and your employees, and all the companies who really need this tool are ones that have no problem spending 10k per year to make their engineers more effective. (Thinking of Lockheed Martin here as they’re one of your flagship customers.) The average Kicad hobbiest wants this, but doesn’t need it. At least, not in the same way someone with a boss, a program manager, a deadline, and four projects to support does.

OJFord 3y ago
> The average Kicad hobbiest wants this, but doesn’t need it. At least, not in the same way someone with a boss, a program manager, a deadline, and four projects to support does. Yeah, but they're also never going to pay for it (or not anything close to this price) in a personal capacity. So give it away free like for current students (would I get away with an alumni^ address I wondered) and generate hype, Youtube content, a pipeline of prospective employees who encourage their employer to adopt it; raving at work about how good it is for their hobby projects and would solve all the problems their having, etc. ^that's the genitive singular, lest you think it erroneously plural ;)
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  I think it is completely lost on this fresh companies that make commercial production software that the reason their "competitors" can charge $10k/mo is because they are entrenched and established. If you are new on the scene, give it to .edu for free and charge everyone else $100 for an annual license. If your product is legitimately good, in ten years you will be the entrenched and established one.
DHaldane 3y ago
Thank you. Talking to EEs that do this every day I hear "Well this would have to save me 1 day per month to be ROI positive". Turns out saving that day is incredibly hard, because the professional workflows are intense. Value of the product ends up being non-linear: either you're valuable enough to be in an EE's regular workflow saving time, or you're not. Worth a whole lot once you are, worth next to nothing if you are not.
lelanthran 3y ago
> The average Kicad hobbiest wants this, but doesn’t need it. Tbh, that's true for lots of things. Personally, I spend about 2% of a projects time on kicad related stuff, and the rest on software development for the board. Anything complex enough to require real knowledge and experience I'd rather hire a board and circuit designer.

OJFord 3y ago

> The average Kicad hobbiest wants this, but doesn’t need it. At least, not in the same way someone with a boss, a program manager, a deadline, and four projects to support does. Yeah, but they're also never going to pay for it (or not anything close to this price) in a personal capacity. So give it away free like for current students (would I get away with an alumni^ address I wondered) and generate hype, Youtube content, a pipeline of prospective employees who encourage their employer to adopt it; raving at work about how good it is for their hobby projects and would solve all the problems their having, etc. ^that's the genitive singular, lest you think it erroneously plural ;)

Workaccount2 3y ago
I think it is completely lost on this fresh companies that make commercial production software that the reason their "competitors" can charge $10k/mo is because they are entrenched and established. If you are new on the scene, give it to .edu for free and charge everyone else $100 for an annual license. If your product is legitimately good, in ten years you will be the entrenched and established one.

DHaldane 3y ago

Thank you. Talking to EEs that do this every day I hear "Well this would have to save me 1 day per month to be ROI positive". Turns out saving that day is incredibly hard, because the professional workflows are intense. Value of the product ends up being non-linear: either you're valuable enough to be in an EE's regular workflow saving time, or you're not. Worth a whole lot once you are, worth next to nothing if you are not.

lelanthran 3y ago

> The average Kicad hobbiest wants this, but doesn’t need it. Tbh, that's true for lots of things. Personally, I spend about 2% of a projects time on kicad related stuff, and the rest on software development for the board. Anything complex enough to require real knowledge and experience I'd rather hire a board and circuit designer.