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Oh man, I sincerely hope he was signed up for cryonics. If there was someone who deserved to see what the future holds, it was him.
by pontifier 3y ago
Oh man, I sincerely hope he was signed up for cryonics. If there was someone who deserved to see what the future holds, it was him.
- unnamed76ri 3y agoFrom what I’ve read, cryonics seems like a massive scam pulled on rich people. The tissue damage in these frozen corpses is extensive and irreparable.
- gamblerrr 3y ago> irreparable That’s the gamble. I think you’re right though, it’s far lower odds than the snake oil salesmen present.
- adastra22 3y agoThe alternative of cremation is still lower odds.
- easter726 3y agoSo you’re saying there is some chance then. Can we let go of the pseudoscience and quackery quote from the early 90s then?
- mr_toad 3y agoEven if some future technology could repair the damage, it’s a big gamble that someone in the future will want to repair the damage.
- niplav 3y agoWhat evidence do you base those beliefs on?
- adastra22 3y agoThen you obviously haven't read much about cryonics, which involves vitrification rather than freezing to avoid such tissue damage.
- davidgerard 3y agoIn real medical cryogenics, e.g., embryo preservation, vitrification is spoken of as a kind of freezing, which, of course, it is. Only cryonics advocates claim that vitrification isn't a kind of freezing.
- topynate 3y agoIf the topic is tissue damage from sharp ice crystals, it's pretty handy to draw the distinction between cooling methods that cause that and ones that don't.
- samatman 3y agoYes, that's the relevant distinction in fact. Cryonics are the former, not the latter. Multicellular cryonic suspension is an unsolved problem after roughly the blastocyst stage.
- topynate 3y agoAs of last year we're up to doing rat kidneys. They're "heavily" damaged but they recover within a few weeks. To be sure, there's a long way from that to near-perfectly preserving a human brain, let alone a whole body. https://www.statnews.com/2023/06/21/cryogenic-organ-preservation-transplants/ https://www.statnews.com/2023/06/21/cryogenic-organ-preserva...
- samatman 3y agoYes, that is a living rat-sized kidney. Not a dead human-sized brain. And on a pass-fail grade, I'm giving that experiment a fail. Promising, yes. Cryopreservation of corpses is a scam designed to fleece rich people with an extraordinary fear of death. Some justify it to themselves as supporting research which might lead to effective corpsicles, but to support such research they could simply donate to it. Not waste their money on an elaborate and expensive embalming with no hope of salvation.
- Cryogenator 3y agoOregon Brain Preservation offers cryopreservation for $5,000 (or less if you can't afford that), Cryonics Germany offers free cryopreservation, and even the most expensive providers (Tomorrow Biostasis, Alcor, and Yinfeng) are affordable through life insurance. Most of us aren't wealthy and some of us are working class. Since 2000, vitrification has replaced freezing, dramatically reducing damage, and even frozen people might be recoverable centuries from now. It's offered on a nonprofit, experimental basis by organizations with public financial statements.
- pontifier 3y agoWell said! If anything, I'd say the money spent on traditional funerals is more of a scam but nobody seems to talk about that. Expensive coffins, elaborate headstones, burial plot sales, etc. As soon as somebody tries to spend their money in a way that might actually benefit them, people get defensive or try to justify death as noble or natural.
- niplav 3y agoChecking Alcor¹ and the Cryonics Institute² suggests no :-/ ¹: https://www.alcor.org/news/ https://www.alcor.org/news/ ²: https://cryonics.org/case-reports/ https://cryonics.org/case-reports/
- pontifier 3y agoI doubt either site would be updated with info about an ongoing cryopreservation.
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