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Putting aside the weird beliefs, the principles themselves are actually pretty decent and widely applicable. Strange place for principled thought leadership to

Putting aside the weird beliefs, the principles themselves are actually pretty decent and widely applicable. Strange place for principled thought leadership to come from :-/

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qsort 3y ago
> the weird beliefs I'm an atheist and a materialist so I share basically nothing of that kind of worldview, but those beliefs aren't actually that much outside the mainstream. The Holy Ghost as the third person of the trinity powering your faith is mainstream Christianity, not weird stuff from the book of Mormon -- if you don't believe that you probably aren't a Christian at all. > Strange place for principled thought leadership to come from When it comes to AI I'm really not surprised. The weird ones out have been those in the tech and tech-adjacent (especially) spaces, saying things that are often completely untethered. When you take out the violent and mean-spirited nature it is often said with, "go touch grass" isn't a bad suggestion...
- spondylosaurus 3y ago
  I don't think the trinity is the part of Mormonism that people find weird...
  - meowtimemania 3y ago
    A lot of the “weird” parts are getting phased out and aren’t really part of the Mormon experience anymore
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camhart 3y ago
Look at the former careers of the leadership of this church. * Russel Nelson - Former surgeon, known for performing the first open heart surgery west of the Mississippi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_M._Nelson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_M._Nelson) * Henry Eyring - Former Stanford professor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_B._Eyring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_B._Eyring) * Dallin Oaks - Former Lawyer, Judge, and University of Chicago professor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks) There are 12 others you can dig into as well, most of which are very highly educated (Elder Gong, who is mentioned in the article, is one of these 12): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_(LDS_Church) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_...
- sandspar 3y ago
  In the states surrounding Utah, you'll often find that the best lawyers and dentists and people like that are Mormon.
- bedobi 3y ago
  OK? Is this meant to somehow absolve mormonism's long and well documented record of being an abusive cult? (which the "leaders" are ultimately in no small part responsible for?)
  - nabla9 3y ago
    You can admire them for their competence. Mormons are spiritually pure amoral capitalists. Religion united with wealth and politics. A Perfect American Religion.
  - lukan 3y ago
    No, it was just stating the fact that they seem to have technical expertise.
  - camhart 3y ago
    It was a response to the following: > Strange place for principled thought leadership to come from
4gotunameagain 3y ago
Religion is a strange place for principled thought leadership to come from ? One might say that it has been the quintessential source of principled thought leadership.
- underlogic 3y ago
  But not fact checking. The more things change the more they stay the same
- rmbyrro 3y ago
  For sure. Ask Giordano Bruno and he will certainly confirm that to you.
mrkstu 3y ago
- Clayton Christensen - Seth Godin - Stephen Covey - Ray Noorda (Novell) - David Neeleman (JetBlue) - Ed Catmull (Pixar) - Nolan Bushnell (Atari) - Jon Huntsman Sr - Kevin Rollins (Dell) - J. Willard Marriot - David Cannon Evans (Evans and Sutherland) Just a skimming of some of the Mormon/LDS names in business/tech thought leadership...
- blackhawkC17 3y ago
  Trevor Milton of Nikola ruins the party
  - mrkstu 3y ago
    Every barrel has a few bad apples...
- javawizard 3y ago
  One of the most relevant to the HN crowd: Yukihiro Matsumoto, a.k.a. Matz, the creator of Ruby.

Putting aside the weird beliefs, the principles themselves are actually pretty decent and widely applicable. Strange place for principled thought leadership to come from :-/

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qsort 3y ago

> the weird beliefs I'm an atheist and a materialist so I share basically nothing of that kind of worldview, but those beliefs aren't actually that much outside the mainstream. The Holy Ghost as the third person of the trinity powering your faith is mainstream Christianity, not weird stuff from the book of Mormon -- if you don't believe that you probably aren't a Christian at all. > Strange place for principled thought leadership to come from When it comes to AI I'm really not surprised. The weird ones out have been those in the tech and tech-adjacent (especially) spaces, saying things that are often completely untethered. When you take out the violent and mean-spirited nature it is often said with, "go touch grass" isn't a bad suggestion...

spondylosaurus 3y ago
I don't think the trinity is the part of Mormonism that people find weird...
- meowtimemania 3y ago
  A lot of the “weird” parts are getting phased out and aren’t really part of the Mormon experience anymore
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camhart 3y ago

Look at the former careers of the leadership of this church. * Russel Nelson - Former surgeon, known for performing the first open heart surgery west of the Mississippi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_M._Nelson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_M._Nelson) * Henry Eyring - Former Stanford professor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_B._Eyring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_B._Eyring) * Dallin Oaks - Former Lawyer, Judge, and University of Chicago professor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks) There are 12 others you can dig into as well, most of which are very highly educated (Elder Gong, who is mentioned in the article, is one of these 12): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_(LDS_Church) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quorum_of_the_Twelve_Apostles_...

sandspar 3y ago
In the states surrounding Utah, you'll often find that the best lawyers and dentists and people like that are Mormon.
bedobi 3y ago
OK? Is this meant to somehow absolve mormonism's long and well documented record of being an abusive cult? (which the "leaders" are ultimately in no small part responsible for?)
- nabla9 3y ago
  You can admire them for their competence. Mormons are spiritually pure amoral capitalists. Religion united with wealth and politics. A Perfect American Religion.
- lukan 3y ago
  No, it was just stating the fact that they seem to have technical expertise.
- camhart 3y ago
  It was a response to the following: > Strange place for principled thought leadership to come from

4gotunameagain 3y ago

Religion is a strange place for principled thought leadership to come from ? One might say that it has been the quintessential source of principled thought leadership.

underlogic 3y ago
But not fact checking. The more things change the more they stay the same
rmbyrro 3y ago
For sure. Ask Giordano Bruno and he will certainly confirm that to you.

mrkstu 3y ago

- Clayton Christensen - Seth Godin - Stephen Covey - Ray Noorda (Novell) - David Neeleman (JetBlue) - Ed Catmull (Pixar) - Nolan Bushnell (Atari) - Jon Huntsman Sr - Kevin Rollins (Dell) - J. Willard Marriot - David Cannon Evans (Evans and Sutherland) Just a skimming of some of the Mormon/LDS names in business/tech thought leadership...

blackhawkC17 3y ago
Trevor Milton of Nikola ruins the party
- mrkstu 3y ago
  Every barrel has a few bad apples...
javawizard 3y ago
One of the most relevant to the HN crowd: Yukihiro Matsumoto, a.k.a. Matz, the creator of Ruby.