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Mistake or not, life is all about leverage. And the balance of power has swung back from employee to employer now that we're done with the covid bubble. Manager

Mistake or not, life is all about leverage. And the balance of power has swung back from employee to employer now that we're done with the covid bubble. Managers must tame their unruly cattle and punish them for their past transgressions when the cattle briefly had a moment of increased leverage. The sad part is that other industries are even worse about this, I know people in the medical system that have to buy gifts for people higher in the hierarchy in order to advance. So we're still kind of blessed for now, well until AI removes all our leverage at least.

steve1977 3y ago
> until AI removes all our leverage at least. Oh we still have the leverage of being a big mass then. AI won't beat physical violence in case of a revolution.
- rl3 3y ago
  >AI won’t beat physical violence in case of a revolution. On a long enough time scale it beats everything.
  - wseqyrku 3y ago
    Yup, guard robots won't be useful until they can beat 30+ people or do something to the first guy that the rest would have to run away. Same for AGI, it won't be called AGI (or conscious for that matter) until it can purposefully do malice.
- questinthrow 3y ago
  Violence can also be automated though, we'll see how we fare against autonomous police and drones
  - steve1977 3y ago
    Who will build the drones? Who will provide the raw materials?
    - silverquiet 3y ago
      People with kids to feed, house and provide health insurance for I presume.
    - questinthrow 3y ago
      There's a lot of people without scruples around. Humanity on average doesnt really bother with ethics that much.
- justinclift 3y ago
  If things ever came to that then the AI side isn't without their own potential options: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_warfare
  - steve1977 3y ago
    At least for a while, there will still be humans needed to manufacture those drones.
- deleted 3y ago
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- heads 3y ago
  In the sense that violence is coercion they have a lot of purely electronic means of persuasion: update account set balance = 0 where user = ‘steve1977’;
  - steve1977 3y ago
    That‘s why I keep some physical gold.
logicchains 3y ago
If you care about leverage then you should consider what kind of immigration policies you support, because bringing in more workers reduces the leverage of the current pool of workers, by increasing supply. The harder it is for your boss to find a competent replacement, the more leverage you have when negotiating with him/her.
- tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
  It's more expensive for my employer to hire people in my country than to hire people in other countries, because the salaries in other countries are lower. As an effect, they basically don't hire new employees in my country because eastern Europe, India, Vietnam etc is cheaper. With your reasoning I should definitively support immigration policies which bring more people to my country, since that will make the hiring pool smaller and my leverage will go up. Is that what you meant?
  - gorbachev 3y ago
    It's pretty hilarious a lot of companies are demanding RTO, but then increasing remote workforce in low cost of living countries. I'd like to have a conversation with an executive at a company about that. The logical somersaults I'd likely hear would be something else.

steve1977 3y ago

> until AI removes all our leverage at least. Oh we still have the leverage of being a big mass then. AI won't beat physical violence in case of a revolution.

rl3 3y ago
>AI won’t beat physical violence in case of a revolution. On a long enough time scale it beats everything.
- wseqyrku 3y ago
  Yup, guard robots won't be useful until they can beat 30+ people or do something to the first guy that the rest would have to run away. Same for AGI, it won't be called AGI (or conscious for that matter) until it can purposefully do malice.
questinthrow 3y ago
Violence can also be automated though, we'll see how we fare against autonomous police and drones
- steve1977 3y ago
  Who will build the drones? Who will provide the raw materials?
  - silverquiet 3y ago
    People with kids to feed, house and provide health insurance for I presume.
  - questinthrow 3y ago
    There's a lot of people without scruples around. Humanity on average doesnt really bother with ethics that much.
justinclift 3y ago
If things ever came to that then the AI side isn't without their own potential options: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_warfare
- steve1977 3y ago
  At least for a while, there will still be humans needed to manufacture those drones.
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heads 3y ago
In the sense that violence is coercion they have a lot of purely electronic means of persuasion: update account set balance = 0 where user = ‘steve1977’;
- steve1977 3y ago
  That‘s why I keep some physical gold.

logicchains 3y ago

If you care about leverage then you should consider what kind of immigration policies you support, because bringing in more workers reduces the leverage of the current pool of workers, by increasing supply. The harder it is for your boss to find a competent replacement, the more leverage you have when negotiating with him/her.

tuwtuwtuwtuw 3y ago
It's more expensive for my employer to hire people in my country than to hire people in other countries, because the salaries in other countries are lower. As an effect, they basically don't hire new employees in my country because eastern Europe, India, Vietnam etc is cheaper. With your reasoning I should definitively support immigration policies which bring more people to my country, since that will make the hiring pool smaller and my leverage will go up. Is that what you meant?
- gorbachev 3y ago
  It's pretty hilarious a lot of companies are demanding RTO, but then increasing remote workforce in low cost of living countries. I'd like to have a conversation with an executive at a company about that. The logical somersaults I'd likely hear would be something else.