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What governments that aren't your allies? Chips are produced in Taiwan, in Korea, in Japan. In that order. Which of those governments is not allied with the US

by ulfw 3y ago

What governments that aren't your allies? Chips are produced in Taiwan, in Korea, in Japan. In that order. Which of those governments is not allied with the US of A?

throwawaymaths 3y ago
Read carefully :P close allies. Those allies are far allies. Sea lanes and supply chain risk is a real thing.
- ulfw 3y ago
  Is this some kind of joke? So who but Canada is your 'close ally' then?
  - throwawaymaths 3y ago
    It is a joke but it's also true. The entire Japan South Korea Taiwan situation is at a high risk, if actual conflict breaks out, Taiwan is out, and SK and Japan become trickier on shipping insurance costs alone, assuming they choose not to get involved (they probably will) Obviously Mexico is also a close ally.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      Japan cannot get involved unless the US is directly attacked, their constitution and laws governing use of the JSDF are very explicit in forbidding any use other than defending themselves or the US. If (when?) Taiwan gets China'd, that by itself cannot serve as a casus belli for Japan. I have no intimate knowledge with regards to South Korea's laws and will thus refrain from commenting there.
      - shiroiushi 3y ago
        >Japan cannot get involved unless the US is directly attacked, their constitution and laws governing use of the JSDF are very explicit in forbidding any use other than defending themselves or the US. Japan can change this on a whim with one meeting of the legislature. You think Japan can't change its own laws? >If (when?) Taiwan gets China'd, that by itself cannot serve as a casus belli for Japan. Wrong. I don't know that they would, but Taiwan is a huge trading partner and great friend of Japan, in fact Japan's closest friend in the whole region. It's quite conceivable that Japan would get involved.
        Dalewyn 3y ago
        >Japan can change this on a whim with one meeting of the legislature. You think Japan can't change its own laws? Please have some clue about what you're talking about first: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Japan#Amendments_and_revisions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Japan#Amendmen... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_96_of_the_Japanese_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_96_of_the_Japanese_Con... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9_of_the_Japanese_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9_of_the_Japanese_Cons... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_the_United_States_and_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_a... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Japanese_military_legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Japanese_military_legisla... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Japan_Alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Japan_Alliance
        throwawaymaths 3y ago
        All that shit is irrelevant. The prime Minister of Japan is actively talking about defending Taiwan if it's attacked. The people of Japan probably won't complain. The US won't complain. South Korea won't complain. And that's not even counting a casus belli that might make it justifiable (e.g. some Japanese citizen in Taiwan gets harmed, or chind sends missiles to US based in Okinawa) What exactly do you think is the punitive remedy for Japan breaking clauses in thosd documents in that political scenario?
        Dalewyn 3y ago
        >The people of Japan probably won't complain. Again, have some clue about what you're talking about first. You are embarrassing yourself.
        shiroiushi 3y ago
        People like him think there's some aliens who will come to earth and punish the Japanese if they violate the constitution as it's now written.
        3y ago
Spooky23 3y ago
Taiwan is a sacrificial ally. We support them, but don't acknowledge them formally.
hackerlight 3y ago
> Taiwan The precarious position of Taiwan is the main reason for this. https://www.metaculus.com/questions/11480/china-launches-invasion-of-taiwan/?sub-question=10880 https://www.metaculus.com/questions/11480/china-launches-inv...

by ulfw 3y ago

What governments that aren't your allies? Chips are produced in Taiwan, in Korea, in Japan. In that order. Which of those governments is not allied with the US of A?

throwawaymaths 3y ago

Read carefully :P close allies. Those allies are far allies. Sea lanes and supply chain risk is a real thing.

ulfw 3y ago
Is this some kind of joke? So who but Canada is your 'close ally' then?
- throwawaymaths 3y ago
  It is a joke but it's also true. The entire Japan South Korea Taiwan situation is at a high risk, if actual conflict breaks out, Taiwan is out, and SK and Japan become trickier on shipping insurance costs alone, assuming they choose not to get involved (they probably will) Obviously Mexico is also a close ally.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Japan cannot get involved unless the US is directly attacked, their constitution and laws governing use of the JSDF are very explicit in forbidding any use other than defending themselves or the US. If (when?) Taiwan gets China'd, that by itself cannot serve as a casus belli for Japan. I have no intimate knowledge with regards to South Korea's laws and will thus refrain from commenting there.
    - shiroiushi 3y ago
      >Japan cannot get involved unless the US is directly attacked, their constitution and laws governing use of the JSDF are very explicit in forbidding any use other than defending themselves or the US. Japan can change this on a whim with one meeting of the legislature. You think Japan can't change its own laws? >If (when?) Taiwan gets China'd, that by itself cannot serve as a casus belli for Japan. Wrong. I don't know that they would, but Taiwan is a huge trading partner and great friend of Japan, in fact Japan's closest friend in the whole region. It's quite conceivable that Japan would get involved.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        >Japan can change this on a whim with one meeting of the legislature. You think Japan can't change its own laws? Please have some clue about what you're talking about first: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Japan#Amendments_and_revisions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Japan#Amendmen... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_96_of_the_Japanese_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_96_of_the_Japanese_Con... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9_of_the_Japanese_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9_of_the_Japanese_Cons... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_and_Security_between_the_United_States_and_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Mutual_Cooperation_a... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Japanese_military_legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Japanese_military_legisla... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Japan_Alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Japan_Alliance
        throwawaymaths 3y ago
        All that shit is irrelevant. The prime Minister of Japan is actively talking about defending Taiwan if it's attacked. The people of Japan probably won't complain. The US won't complain. South Korea won't complain. And that's not even counting a casus belli that might make it justifiable (e.g. some Japanese citizen in Taiwan gets harmed, or chind sends missiles to US based in Okinawa) What exactly do you think is the punitive remedy for Japan breaking clauses in thosd documents in that political scenario?
        Dalewyn 3y ago
        >The people of Japan probably won't complain. Again, have some clue about what you're talking about first. You are embarrassing yourself.
        shiroiushi 3y ago
        People like him think there's some aliens who will come to earth and punish the Japanese if they violate the constitution as it's now written.
      - 3y ago

Spooky23 3y ago

Taiwan is a sacrificial ally. We support them, but don't acknowledge them formally.

hackerlight 3y ago

> Taiwan The precarious position of Taiwan is the main reason for this. https://www.metaculus.com/questions/11480/china-launches-invasion-of-taiwan/?sub-question=10880 https://www.metaculus.com/questions/11480/china-launches-inv...