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Actually, Intel has been consistent with their specialized CPU DNN libraries and whatnot for years. MKL and the likes are pervasive in modern deep learning stac

by sevagh 3y ago

Actually, Intel has been consistent with their specialized CPU DNN libraries and whatnot for years. MKL and the likes are pervasive in modern deep learning stacks. Pretty sure they've captured as much of the AI/ML business as CPUs possibly can. Also, by gaming do you mean gaming consoles or gaming PCs? Because Intel is popular in gaming PCs also.

HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago
Sure, but those are CPU libraries, but what has grown NVIDIA into a $2T company wasn't building CPUs - it was building processors specific to this new and exploding field of ML/AI, which grew out of them building processors (GPUs) specific to the growing field of realtime PC-based gaming... Is the problem that Intel saw themselves too narrowly as in the CPU business rather than as in the compute business? I've no idea - it'd be interesting to hear the inside story of how all these missed opportunities went down.
- sevagh 3y ago
  I mean, if your benchmark is "not being as successful as NVIDIA", then yes, a lot of companies are failures.
  - HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago
    You're missing the point - it's not about comparing Intel to anyone else, but rather about Intel's missed market opportunities. They make processors but missed all the new market opportunities for processors.
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xcv123 3y ago
> Pretty sure they've captured as much of the AI/ML business as CPUs possibly can. Which is exactly how they missed out on AI/ML. CPU is irrelevant in that market. > Because Intel is popular in gaming PCs All gaming consoles use AMD or Nvidia hardware. Gaming PCs use AMD or Nvidia GPUs.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  >Gaming PCs use AMD or Nvidia GPUs. Any Steam hardware survey (the most relevant for gaming PC contexts) will show Intel handily beating AMD at around 66% to 33% for CPU[1], so your claim that Intel is somehow not popular is bunk. [1]: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/
  - xcv123 3y ago
    GPU Note the "G" followed by PU Graphics Processing Unit None of those are GPUs Steam survey PC video card stats show 76.92% Nvidia, 15.09% AMD, and 7.59% Intel (graphics unit integrated with CPU) I never said that Intel CPUs are not popular on gaming PCs. But Intel used to have 99% of that Market.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      Intel doesn't have and has never had a GPU line worth writing home about, so I don't know why you would bring up something Intel never had to say Intel is unpopular in gaming PCs.
      - xcv123 3y ago
        > Intel doesn't have and has never had a GPU line worth writing home about That is my point. Emphasizing the earlier statement: "They missed the gaming market".
        sevagh 3y ago
        Your point is bad. Ignoring the fact that Intel's bread and butter is the CPU, of which they have a dominant gaming marketshare, is obtuse.
        xcv123 3y ago
        They missed the GPU market (AI/ML/Gaming) and the console market. Hence they lost all of that to Nvidia and AMD. Both of those companies now have a bigger market cap than Intel. How is this so difficult to understand? It is very simple, not obtuse, unless you are autistic. Nvidia market cap is $2.26 Trillion. AMD market cap is $290 Billion. Intel market cap is $178 Billion. AMD and Nvidia used to be a tiny fraction of Intel. You guys are getting autistically stuck on this irrelevant detail about CPU popularity in gaming PCs and missing the bigger topic of the discussion. But even in that niche, Intel has lost significant market share to AMD.

by sevagh 3y ago

HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago

Sure, but those are CPU libraries, but what has grown NVIDIA into a $2T company wasn't building CPUs - it was building processors specific to this new and exploding field of ML/AI, which grew out of them building processors (GPUs) specific to the growing field of realtime PC-based gaming... Is the problem that Intel saw themselves too narrowly as in the CPU business rather than as in the compute business? I've no idea - it'd be interesting to hear the inside story of how all these missed opportunities went down.

sevagh 3y ago
I mean, if your benchmark is "not being as successful as NVIDIA", then yes, a lot of companies are failures.
- HarHarVeryFunny 3y ago
  You're missing the point - it's not about comparing Intel to anyone else, but rather about Intel's missed market opportunities. They make processors but missed all the new market opportunities for processors.

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xcv123 3y ago

> Pretty sure they've captured as much of the AI/ML business as CPUs possibly can. Which is exactly how they missed out on AI/ML. CPU is irrelevant in that market. > Because Intel is popular in gaming PCs All gaming consoles use AMD or Nvidia hardware. Gaming PCs use AMD or Nvidia GPUs.

Dalewyn 3y ago
>Gaming PCs use AMD or Nvidia GPUs. Any Steam hardware survey (the most relevant for gaming PC contexts) will show Intel handily beating AMD at around 66% to 33% for CPU[1], so your claim that Intel is somehow not popular is bunk. [1]: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/
- xcv123 3y ago
  GPU Note the "G" followed by PU Graphics Processing Unit None of those are GPUs Steam survey PC video card stats show 76.92% Nvidia, 15.09% AMD, and 7.59% Intel (graphics unit integrated with CPU) I never said that Intel CPUs are not popular on gaming PCs. But Intel used to have 99% of that Market.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Intel doesn't have and has never had a GPU line worth writing home about, so I don't know why you would bring up something Intel never had to say Intel is unpopular in gaming PCs.
    - xcv123 3y ago
      > Intel doesn't have and has never had a GPU line worth writing home about That is my point. Emphasizing the earlier statement: "They missed the gaming market".
      - sevagh 3y ago
        Your point is bad. Ignoring the fact that Intel's bread and butter is the CPU, of which they have a dominant gaming marketshare, is obtuse.
        xcv123 3y ago
        They missed the GPU market (AI/ML/Gaming) and the console market. Hence they lost all of that to Nvidia and AMD. Both of those companies now have a bigger market cap than Intel. How is this so difficult to understand? It is very simple, not obtuse, unless you are autistic. Nvidia market cap is $2.26 Trillion. AMD market cap is $290 Billion. Intel market cap is $178 Billion. AMD and Nvidia used to be a tiny fraction of Intel. You guys are getting autistically stuck on this irrelevant detail about CPU popularity in gaming PCs and missing the bigger topic of the discussion. But even in that niche, Intel has lost significant market share to AMD.