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there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes how do people show up to work at Google, Apple etc? through everything from "not dying from prev

by bedobi 3y ago

there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes how do people show up to work at Google, Apple etc? through everything from "not dying from preventably disease in adolescence" to "being educated in public schools" to "being carried to work on roads and transit paid for by the public"

robertlagrant 3y ago
> there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes As in if I am a private plumber who does jobs for people, my job is subsidised by taxes?
- bedobi 3y ago
  Yes. Who do you think laid the infrastructure for people to get water and sewers in the first place?
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    That depends on the city. If it was originally a company town, probably the company. If it's a new build, probably the property developer. But either way, something that already exists is not subsidising the plumber's salary. The plumber is paid by the customer.
    - underlipton 3y ago
      Anything built post-GD (which is going to be the vast majority of what you service) was likely touched by government subsidy in some fashion, whether grants, loans, or municipal bonds (tax-exempt, so effectively a subsidy). "Company towns" built before then were often subsidized, in effect, by companies not having to bear the financial burden of their many, many instances of illegal or rights-infringing behavior. That's not considering your customers, who are likely also subsidized by the government in some fashion - if their jobs do not involve federal or state government contracts or supplying or servicing companies holding such contracts, they're almost certainly taking advantage of advantageous tax rebates or deductions.
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        You could equally say that tax money is all private money, so really it's all private. It's silly to talk about the provenance of money in these topics.
        underlipton 3y ago
        You absolutely cannot. That's the entire point.

by bedobi 3y ago

robertlagrant 3y ago

> there is no job on this planet that isn't subsidized by taxes As in if I am a private plumber who does jobs for people, my job is subsidised by taxes?

bedobi 3y ago
Yes. Who do you think laid the infrastructure for people to get water and sewers in the first place?
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  That depends on the city. If it was originally a company town, probably the company. If it's a new build, probably the property developer. But either way, something that already exists is not subsidising the plumber's salary. The plumber is paid by the customer.
  - underlipton 3y ago
    Anything built post-GD (which is going to be the vast majority of what you service) was likely touched by government subsidy in some fashion, whether grants, loans, or municipal bonds (tax-exempt, so effectively a subsidy). "Company towns" built before then were often subsidized, in effect, by companies not having to bear the financial burden of their many, many instances of illegal or rights-infringing behavior. That's not considering your customers, who are likely also subsidized by the government in some fashion - if their jobs do not involve federal or state government contracts or supplying or servicing companies holding such contracts, they're almost certainly taking advantage of advantageous tax rebates or deductions.
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      You could equally say that tax money is all private money, so really it's all private. It's silly to talk about the provenance of money in these topics.
      - underlipton 3y ago
        You absolutely cannot. That's the entire point.