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Maybe they should use an AI to automate moderation.

timetraveller26 3y ago
Yes, they should have a GPT that runs other GPT's, an Universal GPT we could call it. They do use some sort of automation according to the article > We use a combination of automated systems, human review and user reports to find and assess GPTs that potentially violate our policies.
- ActionHank 3y ago
  Then they can market this universal GPT as an AGI.
bink 3y ago
It is a bit funny that if you apply for a job with many of these companies they ask they you do not use AI for the application.
- throwaway11460 3y ago
  As any company should. Not sure what's funny about it - I'm interested in the person. If using AI is one of required capabilities I will ask them to perform a task using it during the interview so I can review their process. In the same way I don't expect to receive an executable binary as a cover letter for a SWE position. I had many candidates submit absolutely terrible cover letters clearly made by ChatGPT. The number one sign - it talks about their experience exactly in the order I listed it on the job post; number two - I don't get to know anything about the person. I asked them to submit a cover letter they wrote themselves, and while not everyone's writing was as good as ChatGPT can write, I got to know the person, and hired few of these who definitely wouldn't make the cut if I went by the AI made letter. If you can have AI generate your letter so well I can't tell, you get a pass. Nobody was able to do that yet, though (or at least didn't admit to it, even though I'm asking after they are hired and saying that at this point it would only help them if they did so).
  - herval 3y ago
    most companies are using AI to filter out CVs these days, and cover letters written with ChatGPT seem to have a higher success ratio. I wouldn't blame anyone for using it, unfortunately.
    - throwaway11460 3y ago
      Maybe in first rounds. I am the third/fourth round interviewer. If a cover letter like that gets to me, it's automatically a no - not because of the fact itself but simply because the cover letters are terrible.
      - crooked-v 3y ago
        In a third round, why are you even looking at cover letters?
        badwolf 3y ago
        Who is even looking at cover letters at all?
        kergonath 3y ago
        I suspect it depends on the field, but in my experience it’s often a good indicator of success. A shoddy letter betrays a lack of professionalism. If you’re not going to spend 10 minutes running a spell checker it means that either it’s not important to you, so good bye, or that your standards are really low and you will keep producing garbage if I hire you, so good bye as well. The problem with cover letters is false positive (people who did not write the letter themselves, or who did it to a much higher standard than their usual). But then, that’s what interviews are for. I did hire a couple of people with either a subpar CV (some good people sometimes end up in dead ends or difficult situations), or cover letter (not everyone is a great writer), or reference (your issues with your former boss are not always your fault), or interview (you can have a bad day), so I would not rely on a single factor. But a combination of 2 dodgy elements is an automatic rejection. Each one tends to surface different aspects.
- exe34 3y ago
  This could be a way to separate the wheat from the chaff - if your AI can be detected through your writing, then you aren't who they're looking for!
  - jay_kyburz 3y ago
    I've been trying to get Gemini to write things for me. It's either way to formal, passive, and evasive, but if you ask it to be less formal its like "Yo dude, give me a job!". I find it quite hard find a middle ground and write in a style I like.
1oooqooq 3y ago
on that note, will only bother with AI when "open"ai announces an AI ceo.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Then you've set your standards way too high. Loads of places hire interns, no sane person would make an intern CEO. LLMs today are kinda like weird interns at every subject all at once.
  - 1oooqooq 3y ago
    who wants to pay for weird interns? even good ones are free. and might even grow to good hires.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Paid internships are common, and LLMs are so much cheaper than humans they might as well be free. The prices on OpenAI's website are listed per million tokens, the cheaper model can read a typical book for less than the cost of that book in paperback, second hand, during a closing down discount sale, and even the fancy model is still in range of a cheap second-hand paperback (just not during a closing-down sale) for reading and just about the price of a new cheap paperback for writing — cheap enough it might as well be free. Plus, they're an intern at everything all at once. You don't get to hire someone who has a late-degree-level grasp of programming (in every major programming language at the same time) and genetics and law and physics and medicine and who has a business-level grasp of all the most common written languages on Earth — there is no such human. (If and when we can make an AI, be it an LLM or otherwise, which can act at the level of a senior in whichever field it was trained on, even if that training takes a gigawatt-year to compute per field, and even if inference costs 100 kW just to reach human output speed, it's going to seriously mess up the whole world economy; right now it's mainly messing up the economic incentives to hire people fresh from university while boosting the amount of simple stuff that actually gets done because normal people and not just business can now also afford to hire the weird intern). > and might even grow to good hires. Even if they do, will you be the one to hire them? Also, ChatGPT has so far existed for about as long as I spent on my (paid) year in industry that formed part of my degree. It wasn't called an internship, but it basically was. In that time, the models have grown and improved significantly, suggesting (but not proving, because induction doesn't do that) that they will continue to grow and improve.
1oooqooq 3y ago
business idea: put a chatgpt plugin moderator on the store, priced for a single purchase by them.
- mirekrusin 3y ago
  I'm sure there is gpt to plagiarize gpt already that can be used to not use it directly.

Yes, they should have a GPT that runs other GPT's, an Universal GPT we could call it. They do use some sort of automation according to the article > We use a combination of automated systems, human review and user reports to find and assess GPTs that potentially violate our policies.

ActionHank 3y ago
Then they can market this universal GPT as an AGI.

bink 3y ago

It is a bit funny that if you apply for a job with many of these companies they ask they you do not use AI for the application.

throwaway11460 3y ago
As any company should. Not sure what's funny about it - I'm interested in the person. If using AI is one of required capabilities I will ask them to perform a task using it during the interview so I can review their process. In the same way I don't expect to receive an executable binary as a cover letter for a SWE position. I had many candidates submit absolutely terrible cover letters clearly made by ChatGPT. The number one sign - it talks about their experience exactly in the order I listed it on the job post; number two - I don't get to know anything about the person. I asked them to submit a cover letter they wrote themselves, and while not everyone's writing was as good as ChatGPT can write, I got to know the person, and hired few of these who definitely wouldn't make the cut if I went by the AI made letter. If you can have AI generate your letter so well I can't tell, you get a pass. Nobody was able to do that yet, though (or at least didn't admit to it, even though I'm asking after they are hired and saying that at this point it would only help them if they did so).
- herval 3y ago
  most companies are using AI to filter out CVs these days, and cover letters written with ChatGPT seem to have a higher success ratio. I wouldn't blame anyone for using it, unfortunately.
  - throwaway11460 3y ago
    Maybe in first rounds. I am the third/fourth round interviewer. If a cover letter like that gets to me, it's automatically a no - not because of the fact itself but simply because the cover letters are terrible.
    - crooked-v 3y ago
      In a third round, why are you even looking at cover letters?
      - badwolf 3y ago
        Who is even looking at cover letters at all?
        kergonath 3y ago
        I suspect it depends on the field, but in my experience it’s often a good indicator of success. A shoddy letter betrays a lack of professionalism. If you’re not going to spend 10 minutes running a spell checker it means that either it’s not important to you, so good bye, or that your standards are really low and you will keep producing garbage if I hire you, so good bye as well. The problem with cover letters is false positive (people who did not write the letter themselves, or who did it to a much higher standard than their usual). But then, that’s what interviews are for. I did hire a couple of people with either a subpar CV (some good people sometimes end up in dead ends or difficult situations), or cover letter (not everyone is a great writer), or reference (your issues with your former boss are not always your fault), or interview (you can have a bad day), so I would not rely on a single factor. But a combination of 2 dodgy elements is an automatic rejection. Each one tends to surface different aspects.
exe34 3y ago
This could be a way to separate the wheat from the chaff - if your AI can be detected through your writing, then you aren't who they're looking for!
- jay_kyburz 3y ago
  I've been trying to get Gemini to write things for me. It's either way to formal, passive, and evasive, but if you ask it to be less formal its like "Yo dude, give me a job!". I find it quite hard find a middle ground and write in a style I like.

1oooqooq 3y ago

on that note, will only bother with AI when "open"ai announces an AI ceo.

ben_w 3y ago
Then you've set your standards way too high. Loads of places hire interns, no sane person would make an intern CEO. LLMs today are kinda like weird interns at every subject all at once.
- 1oooqooq 3y ago
  who wants to pay for weird interns? even good ones are free. and might even grow to good hires.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Paid internships are common, and LLMs are so much cheaper than humans they might as well be free. The prices on OpenAI's website are listed per million tokens, the cheaper model can read a typical book for less than the cost of that book in paperback, second hand, during a closing down discount sale, and even the fancy model is still in range of a cheap second-hand paperback (just not during a closing-down sale) for reading and just about the price of a new cheap paperback for writing — cheap enough it might as well be free. Plus, they're an intern at everything all at once. You don't get to hire someone who has a late-degree-level grasp of programming (in every major programming language at the same time) and genetics and law and physics and medicine and who has a business-level grasp of all the most common written languages on Earth — there is no such human. (If and when we can make an AI, be it an LLM or otherwise, which can act at the level of a senior in whichever field it was trained on, even if that training takes a gigawatt-year to compute per field, and even if inference costs 100 kW just to reach human output speed, it's going to seriously mess up the whole world economy; right now it's mainly messing up the economic incentives to hire people fresh from university while boosting the amount of simple stuff that actually gets done because normal people and not just business can now also afford to hire the weird intern). > and might even grow to good hires. Even if they do, will you be the one to hire them? Also, ChatGPT has so far existed for about as long as I spent on my (paid) year in industry that formed part of my degree. It wasn't called an internship, but it basically was. In that time, the models have grown and improved significantly, suggesting (but not proving, because induction doesn't do that) that they will continue to grow and improve.

1oooqooq 3y ago

business idea: put a chatgpt plugin moderator on the store, priced for a single purchase by them.

mirekrusin 3y ago
I'm sure there is gpt to plagiarize gpt already that can be used to not use it directly.