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FWIW, they lost my interest entirely when they launched SD 2.0 and the model was worse, presumably (this was what people at the time were coming up with as the

by saurik 3y ago

FWIW, they lost my interest entirely when they launched SD 2.0 and the model was worse, presumably (this was what people at the time were coming up with as the core problem) as they went overboard in their attempts at preventing it from generating naked photos (by removing so much from the training set that it no longer seemed to understand as well what a human looked like). The wider community then just got stuck on SD 1.5 and so frankly it isn't clear to me if the work Stability was doing was even relevant anymore... even just a few weeks ago I saw some new thing using SD, said to myself "god I hope it is using 1.5", and it was in fact (thankfully) still using 1.5.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
SDXL is amazing. The community is entrechend in 1.5 because that's what everyone is now familiar with, IMO
- saurik 3y ago
  Ok, I'll try SDXL? But, I continue to believe that it was the botched release and attempts to push people with SD 2.x that led to whatever is being talked about in this thread for why Stability gets "so little support from the community": I lost interest in what they were working on well before they released SDXL, as I was no longer convinced that their newer stuff would be better than their older stuff due to 2.x. FWIW, "everyone had gotten so used to 1.5 that they just didn't want to bother with 2.x" might provide a similar mechanism, if a very different place for the blame: if people aren't paying attention to the new stuff you are building, it is going to hurt your "support".
- five_lights 3y ago
  >The community is entrechend in 1.5 because that's what everyone is now familiar with, IMO That probably has some weight to the community's decision to still use 1.5. Other reasons (and more important IMO) why we're still stuck on 1.5 is due to nerfing 2.0, and the plethora of user trained models based on 1.5. I'm continued to be amazed by the quality possible with 1.5. While there are pros and cons of each of the different offerings provided by other image generators, I haven't seen anything available to the public that can compete with the quality gens a competent SD prompter can produce yet. SDXL seems to have taken off better than 2.0, but nothing so amazing to justify leaving all the 1.5 models behind.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    Well, personally, SDXL just blows 1.5 out of the water for me. I haven't had a reason to even touch 1.5 in months. But note that SDXL is really awful in automatic1111 or vanilla HF diffusers for me. You have to use something with proper augmentations (like ComfyUI or Fooocus(which runs on ComfyUI)).
    - five_lights 3y ago
      >You have to use something with proper augmentations (like ComfyUI or Fooocus(which runs on ComfyUI)) Yeah, comfy was given a reference design of the sdxl model beforehand so it would be supported when sdxl was released. I should probably switch to comfy, but I don't touch the tech very frequently as I don't have a practical use case besides the coolness factor.

by saurik 3y ago

brucethemoose2 3y ago

SDXL is amazing. The community is entrechend in 1.5 because that's what everyone is now familiar with, IMO

saurik 3y ago
Ok, I'll try SDXL? But, I continue to believe that it was the botched release and attempts to push people with SD 2.x that led to whatever is being talked about in this thread for why Stability gets "so little support from the community": I lost interest in what they were working on well before they released SDXL, as I was no longer convinced that their newer stuff would be better than their older stuff due to 2.x. FWIW, "everyone had gotten so used to 1.5 that they just didn't want to bother with 2.x" might provide a similar mechanism, if a very different place for the blame: if people aren't paying attention to the new stuff you are building, it is going to hurt your "support".
five_lights 3y ago
>The community is entrechend in 1.5 because that's what everyone is now familiar with, IMO That probably has some weight to the community's decision to still use 1.5. Other reasons (and more important IMO) why we're still stuck on 1.5 is due to nerfing 2.0, and the plethora of user trained models based on 1.5. I'm continued to be amazed by the quality possible with 1.5. While there are pros and cons of each of the different offerings provided by other image generators, I haven't seen anything available to the public that can compete with the quality gens a competent SD prompter can produce yet. SDXL seems to have taken off better than 2.0, but nothing so amazing to justify leaving all the 1.5 models behind.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  Well, personally, SDXL just blows 1.5 out of the water for me. I haven't had a reason to even touch 1.5 in months. But note that SDXL is really awful in automatic1111 or vanilla HF diffusers for me. You have to use something with proper augmentations (like ComfyUI or Fooocus(which runs on ComfyUI)).
  - five_lights 3y ago
    >You have to use something with proper augmentations (like ComfyUI or Fooocus(which runs on ComfyUI)) Yeah, comfy was given a reference design of the sdxl model beforehand so it would be supported when sdxl was released. I should probably switch to comfy, but I don't touch the tech very frequently as I don't have a practical use case besides the coolness factor.