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I understand why Intel is getting these, but would be nice to see this money go to companies that are still innovating and are somewhere in the US coalition/orb

I understand why Intel is getting these, but would be nice to see this money go to companies that are still innovating and are somewhere in the US coalition/orbit (TSMC, Samsung, etc.)

gchokov 3y ago
Samsung? Really?
- Spivak 3y ago
  I mean they're a company from a strongly allied nation who operates 13 fabs, why not?
  - qwytw 3y ago
    I guess the implication was that are still innovating unlike Intel
resource_waste 3y ago
Samsung? I wonder if this is coming from a position of ignorance... Samsung is among the companies of the world that might be producing negative externalities that weigh more than their positive contributions
- tines 3y ago
  I am totally ignorant, can you explain more about Samsung's negative externalities?
- snapcaster 3y ago
  Yeah will fully cop to being ignorant on this, can you expand your comment?
minhazm 3y ago
Samsung is expected to get $6 billion. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-15/samsung-poised-to-win-over-6-billion-for-expanded-us-investment?embedded-checkout=true https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-15/samsung-p...
zerreh50 3y ago
Both TSMC and Samsung are expanding in the USA and are expected to receive significant subsidies as well
dotnet00 3y ago
Intel is still innovating though? What's with everyone acting like they aren't innovating just because they aren't the leading performance x86 chip manufacturer? They're still shrinking node sizes, they've entered the GPU market, they're opening up their fabs to also make chips for other companies...
- edward28 3y ago
  Bit hard to claim they are shrinking nodes, when Intel 4 claimed to be in production in 2022, but is still MIA except for low volume laptop products. And Intel 3 still has yet to appear.
  - Aloisius 3y ago
    How can you tell the laptop products are low volume? Meteor Lake appears to be in mass production and shipping in a plethora of laptops worldwide. There doesn't appear to have any availability problems.
- aylmao 3y ago
  I think the general perception is that they're playing catch-up rather than meaningfully pushing the limits themselves. Yeah, they moved into the GPU market, but the cutting-edge in GPUs is by NVIDIA. As is the cutting-edge in AI chips. The cutting edge in fabrication is by TSMC. The cutting edge in mobile by Apple. Intel's bread and butter has always been x86, but not only is it an ISA that's proving non-ideal for a couple new applications (mobile is ARM, AI is in the GPU or NPUs, etc), AMD is really putting up a good fight in that market too, and the crown has been traded a copule times in the past few years.

I understand why Intel is getting these, but would be nice to see this money go to companies that are still innovating and are somewhere in the US coalition/orbit (TSMC, Samsung, etc.)

gchokov 3y ago

Samsung? Really?

Spivak 3y ago
I mean they're a company from a strongly allied nation who operates 13 fabs, why not?
- qwytw 3y ago
  I guess the implication was that are still innovating unlike Intel

resource_waste 3y ago

Samsung? I wonder if this is coming from a position of ignorance... Samsung is among the companies of the world that might be producing negative externalities that weigh more than their positive contributions

tines 3y ago
I am totally ignorant, can you explain more about Samsung's negative externalities?
snapcaster 3y ago
Yeah will fully cop to being ignorant on this, can you expand your comment?

minhazm 3y ago

Samsung is expected to get $6 billion. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-15/samsung-poised-to-win-over-6-billion-for-expanded-us-investment?embedded-checkout=true https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-15/samsung-p...

zerreh50 3y ago

Both TSMC and Samsung are expanding in the USA and are expected to receive significant subsidies as well

dotnet00 3y ago

Intel is still innovating though? What's with everyone acting like they aren't innovating just because they aren't the leading performance x86 chip manufacturer? They're still shrinking node sizes, they've entered the GPU market, they're opening up their fabs to also make chips for other companies...

edward28 3y ago
Bit hard to claim they are shrinking nodes, when Intel 4 claimed to be in production in 2022, but is still MIA except for low volume laptop products. And Intel 3 still has yet to appear.
- Aloisius 3y ago
  How can you tell the laptop products are low volume? Meteor Lake appears to be in mass production and shipping in a plethora of laptops worldwide. There doesn't appear to have any availability problems.
aylmao 3y ago
I think the general perception is that they're playing catch-up rather than meaningfully pushing the limits themselves. Yeah, they moved into the GPU market, but the cutting-edge in GPUs is by NVIDIA. As is the cutting-edge in AI chips. The cutting edge in fabrication is by TSMC. The cutting edge in mobile by Apple. Intel's bread and butter has always been x86, but not only is it an ISA that's proving non-ideal for a couple new applications (mobile is ARM, AI is in the GPU or NPUs, etc), AMD is really putting up a good fight in that market too, and the crown has been traded a copule times in the past few years.