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Intel is still top dog: ships 3x more CPUs than AMD and Apple combined

11 points by dingi 3y ago

diggan 3y ago
Isn't AMD used by basically all consoles now, both CPU and GPU? The article doesn't even mention consoles which I guess make sense because it's "PC" gamer, but still.
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  PCs still outsell consoles by a large margin. If ChatGPT and some rudimentary Googling can be trusted, Sony has sold a total of 50 million PS5 consoles so far in three years. For comparison, about 240 million PCs are sold per year.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    > For comparison, about 240 million PCs are sold per year. Also for comparison: Apple alone sells around that many smartphones per year. And they're not nearly the biggest manufacturer. I don't think any major phone manufacturer uses Intel CPUs.
    - Atotalnoob 3y ago
      They don’t make mobile chips for phones… They have tried a few times, but were too power hungry and didn’t have the volume to justify it, so they went back to their bread and butter
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- boesboes 3y ago
  Stats they looked at are for desktop & laptops, so consoles are not considered. Neither are servers, which I suspect is mostly Intel too still. They also haven't looked at tablets, so all those M2's in iPads are not counted. Not sure if that is significant.
- lxgr 3y ago
  The Switch uses Nvidia, but no console since (I believe) the original Xbox has used Intel, yes.
neogodless 3y ago
Their momentum and influence on OEMs is massive. While I'm not a mainstream user, and it's hard to wrap my head around choosing a hot, power hungry Intel chip over something from Apple or AMD, just walk into any store (or go to an online store) that sells laptops. 90% of your options will be powered by Intel. Most consumers are going to buy what's readily available. Most businesses (corporate, maybe not "tech") will continue to buy what they always have.
- baq 3y ago
  They're selling everything they make anyway. There isn't enough fabs on Earth to saturate demand.
brcmthrowaway 3y ago
Intel is back baby
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warrenm 3y ago
Apparently they're not counting any of the mobile CPUs in their numbers ... because there is no way in the last quarter Apple "only" shipped 6 million iPhones And Samsung sure shipped more than that
- neogodless 3y ago
  This is what the PC Gamer article says: > global PC shipments > desktop and laptop CPUs
  - 7e 3y ago
    The PC is becoming increasingly irrelevant. "Personal" computing happens on phones now.
  - warrenm 3y ago
    so ... a pretty meaningless article thanks for the confirmation :) server, mobile, etc are far bigger than "PC" ever was
ahartmetz 3y ago
Almost nobody in their right mind (except gamers) would buy an Intel CPU - when people do, it's usually because system vendors only offer or strongly favor Intel coughDellcough. Intel CPUs are slightly faster with a small number of threads, which is mostly useful for games. Intel desktop mainboards also seem to be less fiddly to set up. Intel CPUs are slower in heavy multi-core loads and much less power efficient than AMD, especially when both are power limited. AMD CPUs have a very flat power-performance curve, Intel not so much.
- duffyjp 3y ago
  I built a 7700X system as an upgrade to my previous i9-9900K system. Performance and efficiency wise it's fantastic, but I've had TONS of problems. Memory unable to run at its rated speed, GPU not initializing at boot, glacially slow boot times even with MCR enabled, janky BIOS releases... My old-old system is a Haswell Xeon E3 in a Dell and that sucker can boot from power button to the Windows 11 login screen before the monitor even wakes up on the Ryzen. I really, really hope Intel can release something competitive with AMD in the efficiency space. I feel guilty using more electricity than absolutely necessary, but I also don't want to spend my evenings troubleshooting.
  - ahartmetz 3y ago
    I have read something on Reddit that seems to make MCR actually work nicely on Asus boards (I wouldn't recommend Asus at this point, but I have one). You have to enable MCR in BOTH places in the BIOS. Under DRAM timings under the "A.I. Tweaker" tab (also enable "DRAM Power Down Mode" there, happened automatically for me when enabling MCR) and under... I forgot... something like CPU features, MCU, MCU features, Memory Context Restore. Boot time is pretty fast for me now, I think it's better than on the previous Asus AM4 board, which was also not bad.
  - mwpmaybe 3y ago
    New socket and new DDR standard teething, mostly, probably. Granted Intel seems to be doing a much better job with DDR5, so there's no excuse really for AMD. For best results on AM5 prefer two-DIMM (1DPC) configurations, DDR5-6000 kits with EXPO, and avoid the Samsung B-die stuff (e.g. G.SKILL FlareX 36-36-36). If that's too complicated or whatever I would suggest waiting for Ryzen 9000 and the next wave of AM5 boards where this should all be ironed out, or go with Intel LGA1700 this generation. Personally I am waiting for 64GB DDR5 UDIMMs and stable four-DIMM (2DPC) configurations before I can even contemplate upgrading from AM4. And since I'm already waiting I also want to see a faster chipset link (B650/X670 are still just PCIe Gen4 x4) and TB5 on my next board.
lxn 3y ago
I'm not fond of Intel, but I recently bought a laptop with an Intel CPU. I'm stuck with them for a few more years. My PC is already AMD-based, and I loved the new mobile CPUs from AMD, but they are either hardly available or in undesired packages (bulky gaming laptops). I assume that they have great deals with laptop manufacturers. You can't find a Dell XPS with a Ryzen, for example. Ultrabooks are mainly Intel-based. The Framework laptop is not available everywhere yet. It's the same frustration I had many years ago when I had to choose between a diesel car in stock and waiting 8 months or more for a gas one.
- sevagh 3y ago
  I got a nice Thinkpad T14 Gen 4 recently with a 7840U, if you like Lenovo Thinkpads. I've used many Intel ones before and I like them all equally.
  - lxn 3y ago
    Thanks for the recommendation. Thinkpads are excellent, and honestly, I wanted one. Unfortunately, I'm not too fond of the company. This is because they've done shady security and privacy-related stuff in the past, for example, shipping laptops with malware in 2015 or selling US Marines' laptops with altered hardware to send data back to China [1]. To make it worse, they also have weird practices regarding buying used products: they recommend you avoid buying used laptops (saying they might have viruses but later removed the page [2]) or saying that once you unlock your phone, you are not allowed to sell it [3]. TL;DR: Lovely machine, but I can't trust the company behind them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahw1cppZi-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahw1cppZi-g [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2k9D81fbpA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2k9D81fbpA
    - sevagh 3y ago
      Fair enough. I have blind spots for sketchy things done by companies that make products I like.
TradingPlaces 3y ago
If we don't count the CPU people use the most, in their pocket computers, AKA smartphones, Intel leads by a wide margin. Otherwise, they are in 4th place.
librasteve 3y ago
I recall watching Dave House, Intel VP, present the i486 at a CHIPS(?) conference in San Jose(?) in about 1988. He stood up, looked at his watch and said will folks it's about 11am and Intel has made more i486 this morning than all the RISC chips vendors (MIPS, SPARC, POWER, etc) have ever shipped. Or was it the ill-fated i860? Anyway the point is that all you have to do is not manage Intel like a penny pinching accountant and it will remain #1 just because it has more money to plough back into (process) R&D. Sadly (for Intel) this is what they did for a couple of decades and only Joe Biden can save their bacon.

11 points by dingi 3y ago

Isn't AMD used by basically all consoles now, both CPU and GPU? The article doesn't even mention consoles which I guess make sense because it's "PC" gamer, but still.

JohnBooty 3y ago
PCs still outsell consoles by a large margin. If ChatGPT and some rudimentary Googling can be trusted, Sony has sold a total of 50 million PS5 consoles so far in three years. For comparison, about 240 million PCs are sold per year.
- mcphage 3y ago
  > For comparison, about 240 million PCs are sold per year. Also for comparison: Apple alone sells around that many smartphones per year. And they're not nearly the biggest manufacturer. I don't think any major phone manufacturer uses Intel CPUs.
  - Atotalnoob 3y ago
    They don’t make mobile chips for phones… They have tried a few times, but were too power hungry and didn’t have the volume to justify it, so they went back to their bread and butter
  - deleted 3y ago
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boesboes 3y ago
Stats they looked at are for desktop & laptops, so consoles are not considered. Neither are servers, which I suspect is mostly Intel too still. They also haven't looked at tablets, so all those M2's in iPads are not counted. Not sure if that is significant.
lxgr 3y ago
The Switch uses Nvidia, but no console since (I believe) the original Xbox has used Intel, yes.

neogodless 3y ago

Their momentum and influence on OEMs is massive. While I'm not a mainstream user, and it's hard to wrap my head around choosing a hot, power hungry Intel chip over something from Apple or AMD, just walk into any store (or go to an online store) that sells laptops. 90% of your options will be powered by Intel. Most consumers are going to buy what's readily available. Most businesses (corporate, maybe not "tech") will continue to buy what they always have.

baq 3y ago
They're selling everything they make anyway. There isn't enough fabs on Earth to saturate demand.

brcmthrowaway 3y ago

Intel is back baby

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warrenm 3y ago

Apparently they're not counting any of the mobile CPUs in their numbers ... because there is no way in the last quarter Apple "only" shipped 6 million iPhones And Samsung sure shipped more than that

neogodless 3y ago
This is what the PC Gamer article says: > global PC shipments > desktop and laptop CPUs
- 7e 3y ago
  The PC is becoming increasingly irrelevant. "Personal" computing happens on phones now.
- warrenm 3y ago
  so ... a pretty meaningless article thanks for the confirmation :) server, mobile, etc are far bigger than "PC" ever was

ahartmetz 3y ago

Almost nobody in their right mind (except gamers) would buy an Intel CPU - when people do, it's usually because system vendors only offer or strongly favor Intel coughDellcough. Intel CPUs are slightly faster with a small number of threads, which is mostly useful for games. Intel desktop mainboards also seem to be less fiddly to set up. Intel CPUs are slower in heavy multi-core loads and much less power efficient than AMD, especially when both are power limited. AMD CPUs have a very flat power-performance curve, Intel not so much.

duffyjp 3y ago
I built a 7700X system as an upgrade to my previous i9-9900K system. Performance and efficiency wise it's fantastic, but I've had TONS of problems. Memory unable to run at its rated speed, GPU not initializing at boot, glacially slow boot times even with MCR enabled, janky BIOS releases... My old-old system is a Haswell Xeon E3 in a Dell and that sucker can boot from power button to the Windows 11 login screen before the monitor even wakes up on the Ryzen. I really, really hope Intel can release something competitive with AMD in the efficiency space. I feel guilty using more electricity than absolutely necessary, but I also don't want to spend my evenings troubleshooting.
- ahartmetz 3y ago
  I have read something on Reddit that seems to make MCR actually work nicely on Asus boards (I wouldn't recommend Asus at this point, but I have one). You have to enable MCR in BOTH places in the BIOS. Under DRAM timings under the "A.I. Tweaker" tab (also enable "DRAM Power Down Mode" there, happened automatically for me when enabling MCR) and under... I forgot... something like CPU features, MCU, MCU features, Memory Context Restore. Boot time is pretty fast for me now, I think it's better than on the previous Asus AM4 board, which was also not bad.
- mwpmaybe 3y ago
  New socket and new DDR standard teething, mostly, probably. Granted Intel seems to be doing a much better job with DDR5, so there's no excuse really for AMD. For best results on AM5 prefer two-DIMM (1DPC) configurations, DDR5-6000 kits with EXPO, and avoid the Samsung B-die stuff (e.g. G.SKILL FlareX 36-36-36). If that's too complicated or whatever I would suggest waiting for Ryzen 9000 and the next wave of AM5 boards where this should all be ironed out, or go with Intel LGA1700 this generation. Personally I am waiting for 64GB DDR5 UDIMMs and stable four-DIMM (2DPC) configurations before I can even contemplate upgrading from AM4. And since I'm already waiting I also want to see a faster chipset link (B650/X670 are still just PCIe Gen4 x4) and TB5 on my next board.

lxn 3y ago

I'm not fond of Intel, but I recently bought a laptop with an Intel CPU. I'm stuck with them for a few more years. My PC is already AMD-based, and I loved the new mobile CPUs from AMD, but they are either hardly available or in undesired packages (bulky gaming laptops). I assume that they have great deals with laptop manufacturers. You can't find a Dell XPS with a Ryzen, for example. Ultrabooks are mainly Intel-based. The Framework laptop is not available everywhere yet. It's the same frustration I had many years ago when I had to choose between a diesel car in stock and waiting 8 months or more for a gas one.

sevagh 3y ago
I got a nice Thinkpad T14 Gen 4 recently with a 7840U, if you like Lenovo Thinkpads. I've used many Intel ones before and I like them all equally.
- lxn 3y ago
  Thanks for the recommendation. Thinkpads are excellent, and honestly, I wanted one. Unfortunately, I'm not too fond of the company. This is because they've done shady security and privacy-related stuff in the past, for example, shipping laptops with malware in 2015 or selling US Marines' laptops with altered hardware to send data back to China [1]. To make it worse, they also have weird practices regarding buying used products: they recommend you avoid buying used laptops (saying they might have viruses but later removed the page [2]) or saying that once you unlock your phone, you are not allowed to sell it [3]. TL;DR: Lovely machine, but I can't trust the company behind them. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahw1cppZi-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahw1cppZi-g [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2k9D81fbpA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2k9D81fbpA
  - sevagh 3y ago
    Fair enough. I have blind spots for sketchy things done by companies that make products I like.

TradingPlaces 3y ago

If we don't count the CPU people use the most, in their pocket computers, AKA smartphones, Intel leads by a wide margin. Otherwise, they are in 4th place.

librasteve 3y ago

I recall watching Dave House, Intel VP, present the i486 at a CHIPS(?) conference in San Jose(?) in about 1988. He stood up, looked at his watch and said will folks it's about 11am and Intel has made more i486 this morning than all the RISC chips vendors (MIPS, SPARC, POWER, etc) have ever shipped. Or was it the ill-fated i860? Anyway the point is that all you have to do is not manage Intel like a penny pinching accountant and it will remain #1 just because it has more money to plough back into (process) R&D. Sadly (for Intel) this is what they did for a couple of decades and only Joe Biden can save their bacon.