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ISP's Landmark Piracy Liability Case Doesn't Get a Do-Over in Appeals Court

54 points by leotravis10 3y ago

ddtaylor 3y ago
Good thing I just renewed my VPN. Also as a random side note USENET is pretty good still.
drpossum 3y ago
I hope this gets some visibility and impetus to actually classify broadband as a utility.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
The article is a bit light on these details; did Sony, Universal, et. al. show any proof of these damages or was it the usual conjecture of "if they bought instead of pirated, we'd have made more money"? The damage should be considered more dubious if they can't show that someone pirated instead of buying.
- synctext 3y ago
  32 pages of legal details to induce solid sleep: https://torrentfreak.com/images/cox-opinion.pdf https://torrentfreak.com/images/cox-opinion.pdf "We affirm the jury’s finding of willful contributory infringement. But we reverse the vicarious liability verdict and remand for a new trial on damages because Cox did not profit from its subscribers’ acts of infringement, a legal prerequisite for vicarious liability."
  - p0w3n3d 3y ago
    when law people get to pronounce in IT cases, it's always 50/50. 50% money 50% superstitions/beliefs. However in US it's really dangerous because of precedent law
Spivak 3y ago
Gotta love the little game record labels are playing where they can't sue individual pirates because if they did that with any regularity they would find themselves on the losing end of copyright reform so they're trying to deputize ISPs to quietly deal with the pirates for them and extract the damages from deep pockets. I get that it's hard to compete with free but when the list of people guilty of piracy could be used as a census substitute talking about it as a crime stops really making sense. Laws are about capturing societal norms and we've demonstrated for going on 30 years that no one really cares.
- noqc 3y ago
  I've noticed a lot of college aged kids in particular becoming much more anti-piracy. About textbooks even. I've heard reports of people being kicked off of private discord servers for sharing a link to the course textbook. Somehow the PR campaign has gained some traction. I hope it's not a foothold.
  - Grimblewald 3y ago
    That's news to me. I work in tertiary education and the kids coming through now are less tech literate but generally appreciate piracy for everything from visual media to educational material, largly because cost of living has risen, financial support for students has decreased, and income has stagnated or decreased meaning if previous generations were unwilling those now are flat unable to pay for things. What I have noticed is younger folks tend to be smarter about knowing what to say, when and in what context, in a post privacy world.

54 points by leotravis10 3y ago

ddtaylor 3y ago

Good thing I just renewed my VPN. Also as a random side note USENET is pretty good still.

drpossum 3y ago

I hope this gets some visibility and impetus to actually classify broadband as a utility.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago

The article is a bit light on these details; did Sony, Universal, et. al. show any proof of these damages or was it the usual conjecture of "if they bought instead of pirated, we'd have made more money"? The damage should be considered more dubious if they can't show that someone pirated instead of buying.

synctext 3y ago
32 pages of legal details to induce solid sleep: https://torrentfreak.com/images/cox-opinion.pdf https://torrentfreak.com/images/cox-opinion.pdf "We affirm the jury’s finding of willful contributory infringement. But we reverse the vicarious liability verdict and remand for a new trial on damages because Cox did not profit from its subscribers’ acts of infringement, a legal prerequisite for vicarious liability."
- p0w3n3d 3y ago
  when law people get to pronounce in IT cases, it's always 50/50. 50% money 50% superstitions/beliefs. However in US it's really dangerous because of precedent law

Spivak 3y ago

Gotta love the little game record labels are playing where they can't sue individual pirates because if they did that with any regularity they would find themselves on the losing end of copyright reform so they're trying to deputize ISPs to quietly deal with the pirates for them and extract the damages from deep pockets. I get that it's hard to compete with free but when the list of people guilty of piracy could be used as a census substitute talking about it as a crime stops really making sense. Laws are about capturing societal norms and we've demonstrated for going on 30 years that no one really cares.

noqc 3y ago
I've noticed a lot of college aged kids in particular becoming much more anti-piracy. About textbooks even. I've heard reports of people being kicked off of private discord servers for sharing a link to the course textbook. Somehow the PR campaign has gained some traction. I hope it's not a foothold.
- Grimblewald 3y ago
  That's news to me. I work in tertiary education and the kids coming through now are less tech literate but generally appreciate piracy for everything from visual media to educational material, largly because cost of living has risen, financial support for students has decreased, and income has stagnated or decreased meaning if previous generations were unwilling those now are flat unable to pay for things. What I have noticed is younger folks tend to be smarter about knowing what to say, when and in what context, in a post privacy world.