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Its because the EU has something called "neighbouring rights" which are an additional right to the usual form of copyrights. > To tackle this, the EU created a

Its because the EU has something called "neighbouring rights" which are an additional right to the usual form of copyrights. > To tackle this, the EU created a form of copyright called “neighbouring rights” that allows print media to demand compensation for using their content.

Rinzler89 3y ago
In some EU countries, like Austria for example, there are royalties to pay on non-volatile storage memory[1], who's funds go to the local mafia...errr I mean music/movie rights holders association, because get this, storage can be used for storing reproductions of copyrighted content, so if you buy anything from external HDDs to phones with flash memory, then you're automatically a potential pirate and you owe them money upfront to compensate them for the piracy induced losses. It's a tax that started from the 1980's first on audio and VHS cassettes, and kept getting updated over the years to include MP3 players, flash memory, smart phones and smart watches. I expect the exact same thing will happen to LLM bots. The juggernauts like Ringier or Axel Springer will lobby in their respective countries or at EU level to get their pound of flesh whenever people use something like ChatGPT, because they'll claim it was trained on their copyrighted data and so they deserve to get their cut, otherwise the service will have to be banned in the EU. [1] https://www-wko-at.translate.goog/oe/handel/maschinen-technologie/urheberrecht-festplattenabgabe-speichermedienverguetung?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-wko-at.translate.goog/oe/handel/maschinen-techno... | Integrated memory in mobile phones: EUR 2.50 | | Integrated storage in tablets: EUR 3.75 | | Integrated memory in PC, desktop computer, notebook, subnotebook, ultrabook, netbook, laptop: EUR 5.00 | | Hard drives as individual storage media: EUR 4.50 | | External memory cards: EUR 0.35 | | Digital picture frames: EUR 2.00 | | Smartwatches: EUR 1.00 |
- realusername 3y ago
  > In some EU countries, like Austria for example, there are royalties to pay on non-volatile storage memory[1] In France it's the same but with an even more insane version. The tax is so high that it's skewing the EU average and you have to take France out of the data. As an example, taxes on mobile phones are at 14EUR for a phone with a drive greater than 64GB (so most of them nowadays)
  - Rinzler89 3y ago
    I notice Austria an France seem to have a lot of such dumb taxes in common. I guess it must be to feed those generous welfare systems. But these taxes are basically robbing Peter to pay ... Peter.
    - realusername 3y ago
      That's the idea yeah, the economic strategy in France is very simple: if it works then tax it, it if doesn't work then give more subsidies. That's a terrible long term strategy because the good companies are subsidizing failing ones, destroying the reward function of the market. The second terrible side effect to this policy is that the subsidies system is too complex for small companies to handle so the small companies have an increased failure rate compared to a normal economy.

Rinzler89 3y ago

In some EU countries, like Austria for example, there are royalties to pay on non-volatile storage memory[1], who's funds go to the local mafia...errr I mean music/movie rights holders association, because get this, storage can be used for storing reproductions of copyrighted content, so if you buy anything from external HDDs to phones with flash memory, then you're automatically a potential pirate and you owe them money upfront to compensate them for the piracy induced losses. It's a tax that started from the 1980's first on audio and VHS cassettes, and kept getting updated over the years to include MP3 players, flash memory, smart phones and smart watches. I expect the exact same thing will happen to LLM bots. The juggernauts like Ringier or Axel Springer will lobby in their respective countries or at EU level to get their pound of flesh whenever people use something like ChatGPT, because they'll claim it was trained on their copyrighted data and so they deserve to get their cut, otherwise the service will have to be banned in the EU. [1] https://www-wko-at.translate.goog/oe/handel/maschinen-technologie/urheberrecht-festplattenabgabe-speichermedienverguetung?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-wko-at.translate.goog/oe/handel/maschinen-techno... | Integrated memory in mobile phones: EUR 2.50 | | Integrated storage in tablets: EUR 3.75 | | Integrated memory in PC, desktop computer, notebook, subnotebook, ultrabook, netbook, laptop: EUR 5.00 | | Hard drives as individual storage media: EUR 4.50 | | External memory cards: EUR 0.35 | | Digital picture frames: EUR 2.00 | | Smartwatches: EUR 1.00 |

realusername 3y ago
> In some EU countries, like Austria for example, there are royalties to pay on non-volatile storage memory[1] In France it's the same but with an even more insane version. The tax is so high that it's skewing the EU average and you have to take France out of the data. As an example, taxes on mobile phones are at 14EUR for a phone with a drive greater than 64GB (so most of them nowadays)
- Rinzler89 3y ago
  I notice Austria an France seem to have a lot of such dumb taxes in common. I guess it must be to feed those generous welfare systems. But these taxes are basically robbing Peter to pay ... Peter.
  - realusername 3y ago
    That's the idea yeah, the economic strategy in France is very simple: if it works then tax it, it if doesn't work then give more subsidies. That's a terrible long term strategy because the good companies are subsidizing failing ones, destroying the reward function of the market. The second terrible side effect to this policy is that the subsidies system is too complex for small companies to handle so the small companies have an increased failure rate compared to a normal economy.