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> […] and personal liberty. Ironic given that driving is not a right—you need a license—and is highly regulated (e.g., insurance), while you can walk and cycle

> […] and personal liberty. Ironic given that driving is not a right—you need a license—and is highly regulated (e.g., insurance), while you can walk and cycle without any of those things. A cop can stop you in an automobile and ask for all sorts of documents, while doing the same walking or on a bus/tram/subway would probably be against most countries' constitutions. See the Oh the Urbanity video '“15-Minute City” Conspiracies Have It Backwards': * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpXqY_j1m1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpXqY_j1m1U

underdeserver 3y ago
I'm pretty sure a cop can stop you and ask for ID in most of the world, even most of the west, for no reason.
- throw0101d 3y ago
  > […] for no reason. Not in Canada: * https://ccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Know-Your-Rights-Booklet.pdf https://ccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Know-Your-Rights... * https://www.jeffreismanlaw.ca/when-do-you-have-to-identify-yourself-to-toronto-police/ https://www.jeffreismanlaw.ca/when-do-you-have-to-identify-y... * https://collettreadllp.com/know-your-rights/can-you-refuse-to-show-id-to-the-police/ https://collettreadllp.com/know-your-rights/can-you-refuse-t... Further, you don't have to carry ID and can't get into trouble if you don't have any if walking.
  - underdeserver 3y ago
    Canada is a bit like the US. I would imagine France and Sweden to be the same. But I'll be very surprised if cops need a reason to ask for ID in Spain, Italy, Switzerland, the Netherlands, ...
giraffe_lady 3y ago
> while you can walk and cycle without any of those things. A few years ago a driver making a right-on-red bumped me in the crosswalk with his car. It was reckless but whatever no harm no foul. But then he got out, incorrectly thinking he had the right of way, and demanded my "papers." He was incredulous and furious that I didn't have insurance papers to show him, or thought I was refusing to. He ended up calling 911 about it, though they didn't come. Ever since then I can't get some questions out my head. Is that really how he thought it worked or was he just flustered? Do other people think like this? This was a middle-aged guy in a suit in a major city's business district, so presumably some sort of professional. Is he good at his job?
- tejohnso 3y ago
  Probably just trying to frighten or intimidate. Someone else could easily have been fooled into thinking they needed papers. The guy could've berated them into tears. Probably just about all he was attempting to do.
  - Kalium 3y ago
    It doesn't have to be deliberate. For a lot of people, aggression is their immediate defensive response.

underdeserver 3y ago

I'm pretty sure a cop can stop you and ask for ID in most of the world, even most of the west, for no reason.

throw0101d 3y ago
> […] for no reason. Not in Canada: * https://ccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Know-Your-Rights-Booklet.pdf https://ccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Know-Your-Rights... * https://www.jeffreismanlaw.ca/when-do-you-have-to-identify-yourself-to-toronto-police/ https://www.jeffreismanlaw.ca/when-do-you-have-to-identify-y... * https://collettreadllp.com/know-your-rights/can-you-refuse-to-show-id-to-the-police/ https://collettreadllp.com/know-your-rights/can-you-refuse-t... Further, you don't have to carry ID and can't get into trouble if you don't have any if walking.
- underdeserver 3y ago
  Canada is a bit like the US. I would imagine France and Sweden to be the same. But I'll be very surprised if cops need a reason to ask for ID in Spain, Italy, Switzerland, the Netherlands, ...

giraffe_lady 3y ago

> while you can walk and cycle without any of those things. A few years ago a driver making a right-on-red bumped me in the crosswalk with his car. It was reckless but whatever no harm no foul. But then he got out, incorrectly thinking he had the right of way, and demanded my "papers." He was incredulous and furious that I didn't have insurance papers to show him, or thought I was refusing to. He ended up calling 911 about it, though they didn't come. Ever since then I can't get some questions out my head. Is that really how he thought it worked or was he just flustered? Do other people think like this? This was a middle-aged guy in a suit in a major city's business district, so presumably some sort of professional. Is he good at his job?

tejohnso 3y ago
Probably just trying to frighten or intimidate. Someone else could easily have been fooled into thinking they needed papers. The guy could've berated them into tears. Probably just about all he was attempting to do.
- Kalium 3y ago
  It doesn't have to be deliberate. For a lot of people, aggression is their immediate defensive response.