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That's not the comparison I was making. I said consuming a meticulously curated list of the best university lectures on any topic delivered by an extremely rare
by benreesman 3y ago
That's not the comparison I was making. I said consuming a meticulously curated list of the best university lectures on any topic delivered by an extremely rare breed (unparalleled research professors who are also competent as educators) is a better way to consume university lectures and requires a phone and $15.99/month.
I furthermore said that Grant of 3Blue1Brown fame and others inspired by him (Richard Behial, Sean Carrol, and many others, this matters enough that I'll do the rigorous citation routine if people personified in this instance by you don't regard this as common knowledge) have used the lever of technology to increase the upper-bound on the efficacy of education in a way that dwarfs the technological lever that LLMs represent for being wrong at scale persuasively enough to convince anyone but an expert in a bad mood.
I explicitly acknowledged the dominant term in the kinds of outcomes pg is talking about, which is having and effectively managing relationships with people who either already are or soon will be with high probability powerful.
In 2013 I was shortlisted as a candidate for some of the top jobs at the hottest company in the business and on a polynomially steeper career ascent trajectory than someone who now sits on OpenAI's board: that person diligently managed relationships and had a keen sense for whose star was rising and falling, I produced 10^4 more marginal revenue (very conservatively) but gave the establishment (including too many of my colleagues who chose the other path on geek/climber) the finger and didn't manage so much as my personal life, let alone the establishment. Which is why that person is on OpenAI's board and I'm scratching out a living as a consultant, and even that is only possible because I'm finally learning twenty years too late to be at least thoughtful, reasonably polite most of the time, and well-cited when being skeptical of an establishment.
The most effective way to interact with cutting-edge researchers short of actually getting a PhD at Oxford or something is to work for or consult for public-private partnerships between top academic labs and private-sector spinoffs. Even as a marginalized consultant I've worked directly with people at top research universities who get whispered about as Nobel candidates, these companies are often under-resourced in the beginning and if you're willing and able to represent a bargain, you can work adjacent to some truly stratospheric levels of elite research.
You're not wrong that going to an excellent school that you or your parents can actually afford is among the best advantages one can have early in life, you're exactly right about that.
You're incorrect in demonstrable ways on the rest of the stuff you've bundled into one statement. This is the problem with bundling together tangentially related ideas into one atomic unit.
I've kicked this thing back and forth a few times because even on revision I'm finding it difficult to say "What you Can't Say" [1] with both of: concrete and documented examples and low scope for seeming rude or snarky. I don't intend snark, but pg wrote those essays for a reason: being right is offensive sometimes. So I apologize if I give any offense to you or anyone else, but all this is true and a lot hangs in the balance right now for the industry and civilization as a whole. And I regret that you personally wind up being the person who said the thing that many/most think that needs demolishing, there's absolutely nothing personal in it.
[1] https://paulgraham.com/say.html https://paulgraham.com/say.html
- keiferski 3y agoThe advice about university is extremely dangerous in 2024 for anyone without a privileged upbringing because university is a far inferior place to learn things than YouTube videos aggregating all the best university lectures in history with the even more effective education style pioneered by Grant with 3blue1brown. I was replying to this. I don’t find this “offensive”, I find it misleading and untrue. Maybe some tiny percentage of people will prefer sitting at home watching YouTube videos to the experience of attending a top college. For everyone else, the university is a better choice, not least because you’ll build a better network. Not everyone wants to sit at home alone and watch videos. I’m not sure why that is difficult to understand.
- benreesman 3y agoThis remains a bundling of two levers that we at one time tangentially related, but have sharply diverged: learning difficult topics in a deep and time-efficient way, and building a potent network. It's all but universally acknowledged that technology represents the highest-leverage tool in the arsenal of getting things done in a leveraged way and this includes learning difficult topics in a time-efficient way. The best universities (in the modern sense of the word) face and pretty much always faced a stark tradeoff between a faculty that were exceptional regarding novel research, and faculty that were chosen on the basis of educational outcomes, there's even a term for it: "teaching professor". Excellent researchers at the cutting edge of their field are only competent educators by coincidence, they're at a minimum different competencies, and arguably pull in opposite or at least different directions. Many of the best academic researchers in the world teach in some country where they learned the language they teach in late in life: every undergraduate in STEM has professors they struggle to even understand via verbal communication (people that smart can generally master written communication in another language far more easily than verbal communication). There are better lectures (even restricting the field to e.g. MIT OCW) online and social interaction in a lecture is, with a few exceptions, disruptive and frowned upon. And even if someone wants to listen to a university lecture in person, universities generally have a formal or informal mechanism for non-students to attend them without any acceptance criteria or a staggering bill at the end. The networking that happens at a top school is difficult to the point of being nearly impossible to achieve any other way. I'm only interested in having this conversation if you're willing to address those points individually rather than as an atomic unit: they are not an atomic unit.