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So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures? I'll keep my western puritanism, thanks.

defrost 3y ago
> So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures? Not what they said. The suggestion was that they'd laugh, make a joke about stupid men, tell them to put their dick away. The most probable response to a real life flasher in this part of the world would be a little finger wiggle and the expression "ahh, winyarn" with a lot of mocking laughter. Needless to say, not very many actual flashers .. but you can see plenty of near and fully naked men (and women) briefly changing in and out of wetsuits down the car park at the beach. There's more on show at the various nudist beaches. You keep your puritanism by all means, it's no skin off my western nose.
- krisoft 3y ago
  I’m very curious if you have heard about the murder of Sarah Everard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard Her murderer, Wayne Couzens, had on multiple occasions “flashed” various women before kidnapping and murdering her. These prior offenses were reported to the police but the police failed to investigate them properly. If they would have they would have recognised the escalating trend in his behaviour and perhaps could have prevented her death. While I’m not saying that every flasher will “graduate” to become a murderer, this is the context this crime is viewed today in the UK. In some purely academic sense you are right. What displaying any body part means is culturaly coded. It could mean anything. But in the context of the relevant culture sending someone a dick-pick like this is clearly about power, and forcing one’s self on someone against their will.
  - defrost 3y ago
    No, I haven't. In the context of a thread branch stemming from: "huge cultural differences that exist in the world" it's not clear how the evolution of a London flasher to murderer relates to sub tropical girls laughing off idiots that walk about with their dicks out. Given specific cultural attitudes in the UK, in Saudi Arabia, in India, one could posit several different behaviours that might be expressed and evolve from fetish to committing murder. The interesting question is how this occurs and what attitudes might prevent this.
    - acdha 3y ago
      Part of the problem with the cultural differences claim is that it’s only mentioned enough to function as an excuse. Even a single culture mentioned specifically would allow people to evaluate things like whether that culture has rules about unwanted attention, or whether it’s generally considered desirable. For example, the traditional Hawaiian culture certainly had a very different attitude about nudity but they also focused their sexuality on mutual pleasure, not to mention having an absolute monarchy with the death penalty for things like women eating pork - cross-cultural comparisons are always a mixed bag like that.
      - defrost 3y ago
        The essential part of this particular cultural differences claim is that several cultures aren't intrinsically offended by "dick pics" - this results in a different reaction to flashers and people sending dick pics, near zero reaction based purely on the genital nudity aspect, almost entirely on whether it's welcome or not. The other cultural aspect that results is incident of bothers; the UK has a much higher incidence of dirty mac flashers than either Australia or Papua New Guinea. > Even a single culture mentioned specifically I've just mentioned two and I heavily hinted at one of these in prior comments in a manner that many would have easily read in. Australia has a strong beach | rural culture; few that surf or work the land would be shocked by a penis, having seen dogs, horses, bulls, and humans (getting changed outdoors) since before they could walk - the very few people that might try flashing or masterbating in public get pretty rapidly told to jog on and bugger off without causing much in the way of distress or embarrassment to their intended "victims". PNG, of course, still has cultural groups sporting the Koteka .. why on earth would they be sending pictures of a nude, bare, undecorated penis when it's been all about the penis bling for generations?
        acdha 3y ago
        Can you provide specific examples of cultures where targeted dick pics are shrugged off and nobody cares? That’s distinct from general nudity because it’s sexually focused and targets someone who is not a willing participant. For example, despite your comments about Australia having tolerance for beach conditions (which as a north Southern Californian I approve of), it’s not like “laugh it off” is the government’s official position: https://www.esafety.gov.au/young-people/receiving-unwanted-nudes https://www.esafety.gov.au/young-people/receiving-unwanted-n... I’m not sure PNG is a great example (https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/05/1117642 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/05/1117642) but a quick search confirms that their 2016 “cybercrime” law covers both harassment and child grooming so it again appears that people recognize the distinction between traditional culture and targeted harassment like the case in question.
  - uaserussia 3y ago
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> So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures? Not what they said. The suggestion was that they'd laugh, make a joke about stupid men, tell them to put their dick away. The most probable response to a real life flasher in this part of the world would be a little finger wiggle and the expression "ahh, winyarn" with a lot of mocking laughter. Needless to say, not very many actual flashers .. but you can see plenty of near and fully naked men (and women) briefly changing in and out of wetsuits down the car park at the beach. There's more on show at the various nudist beaches. You keep your puritanism by all means, it's no skin off my western nose.

krisoft 3y ago
I’m very curious if you have heard about the murder of Sarah Everard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard Her murderer, Wayne Couzens, had on multiple occasions “flashed” various women before kidnapping and murdering her. These prior offenses were reported to the police but the police failed to investigate them properly. If they would have they would have recognised the escalating trend in his behaviour and perhaps could have prevented her death. While I’m not saying that every flasher will “graduate” to become a murderer, this is the context this crime is viewed today in the UK. In some purely academic sense you are right. What displaying any body part means is culturaly coded. It could mean anything. But in the context of the relevant culture sending someone a dick-pick like this is clearly about power, and forcing one’s self on someone against their will.
- defrost 3y ago
  No, I haven't. In the context of a thread branch stemming from: "huge cultural differences that exist in the world" it's not clear how the evolution of a London flasher to murderer relates to sub tropical girls laughing off idiots that walk about with their dicks out. Given specific cultural attitudes in the UK, in Saudi Arabia, in India, one could posit several different behaviours that might be expressed and evolve from fetish to committing murder. The interesting question is how this occurs and what attitudes might prevent this.
  - acdha 3y ago
    Part of the problem with the cultural differences claim is that it’s only mentioned enough to function as an excuse. Even a single culture mentioned specifically would allow people to evaluate things like whether that culture has rules about unwanted attention, or whether it’s generally considered desirable. For example, the traditional Hawaiian culture certainly had a very different attitude about nudity but they also focused their sexuality on mutual pleasure, not to mention having an absolute monarchy with the death penalty for things like women eating pork - cross-cultural comparisons are always a mixed bag like that.
    - defrost 3y ago
      The essential part of this particular cultural differences claim is that several cultures aren't intrinsically offended by "dick pics" - this results in a different reaction to flashers and people sending dick pics, near zero reaction based purely on the genital nudity aspect, almost entirely on whether it's welcome or not. The other cultural aspect that results is incident of bothers; the UK has a much higher incidence of dirty mac flashers than either Australia or Papua New Guinea. > Even a single culture mentioned specifically I've just mentioned two and I heavily hinted at one of these in prior comments in a manner that many would have easily read in. Australia has a strong beach | rural culture; few that surf or work the land would be shocked by a penis, having seen dogs, horses, bulls, and humans (getting changed outdoors) since before they could walk - the very few people that might try flashing or masterbating in public get pretty rapidly told to jog on and bugger off without causing much in the way of distress or embarrassment to their intended "victims". PNG, of course, still has cultural groups sporting the Koteka .. why on earth would they be sending pictures of a nude, bare, undecorated penis when it's been all about the penis bling for generations?
      - acdha 3y ago
        Can you provide specific examples of cultures where targeted dick pics are shrugged off and nobody cares? That’s distinct from general nudity because it’s sexually focused and targets someone who is not a willing participant. For example, despite your comments about Australia having tolerance for beach conditions (which as a north Southern Californian I approve of), it’s not like “laugh it off” is the government’s official position: https://www.esafety.gov.au/young-people/receiving-unwanted-nudes https://www.esafety.gov.au/young-people/receiving-unwanted-n... I’m not sure PNG is a great example (https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/05/1117642 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/05/1117642) but a quick search confirms that their 2016 “cybercrime” law covers both harassment and child grooming so it again appears that people recognize the distinction between traditional culture and targeted harassment like the case in question.
- uaserussia 3y ago
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