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“Normal human anatomy” is what you say if someone’s swimsuit slips in the surf, not when a sex offender sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them t

by acdha 3y ago

“Normal human anatomy” is what you say if someone’s swimsuit slips in the surf, not when a sex offender sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them to think about him sexually. The difference is intent: he knew it was unwelcome, and he didn’t care about that lack of consent. Now might be a really good time to think about why your first instinct is to defend the guy committing mid-level sexual assault rather than the child he targeted.

userbinator 3y ago
sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them to think about him sexually That's entirely the result of a cultural construct. about why your first instinct is to defend the guy Trying to turn this into an "us vs. them" situation? I was just pointing out the huge cultural differences that exist in the world beyond Western puritanism.
- DontchaKnowit 3y ago
  So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures? I'll keep my western puritanism, thanks.
  - defrost 3y ago
    > So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures? Not what they said. The suggestion was that they'd laugh, make a joke about stupid men, tell them to put their dick away. The most probable response to a real life flasher in this part of the world would be a little finger wiggle and the expression "ahh, winyarn" with a lot of mocking laughter. Needless to say, not very many actual flashers .. but you can see plenty of near and fully naked men (and women) briefly changing in and out of wetsuits down the car park at the beach. There's more on show at the various nudist beaches. You keep your puritanism by all means, it's no skin off my western nose.
    - krisoft 3y ago
      I’m very curious if you have heard about the murder of Sarah Everard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard Her murderer, Wayne Couzens, had on multiple occasions “flashed” various women before kidnapping and murdering her. These prior offenses were reported to the police but the police failed to investigate them properly. If they would have they would have recognised the escalating trend in his behaviour and perhaps could have prevented her death. While I’m not saying that every flasher will “graduate” to become a murderer, this is the context this crime is viewed today in the UK. In some purely academic sense you are right. What displaying any body part means is culturaly coded. It could mean anything. But in the context of the relevant culture sending someone a dick-pick like this is clearly about power, and forcing one’s self on someone against their will.
      - defrost 3y ago
        No, I haven't. In the context of a thread branch stemming from: "huge cultural differences that exist in the world" it's not clear how the evolution of a London flasher to murderer relates to sub tropical girls laughing off idiots that walk about with their dicks out. Given specific cultural attitudes in the UK, in Saudi Arabia, in India, one could posit several different behaviours that might be expressed and evolve from fetish to committing murder. The interesting question is how this occurs and what attitudes might prevent this.
        acdha 3y ago
        Part of the problem with the cultural differences claim is that it’s only mentioned enough to function as an excuse. Even a single culture mentioned specifically would allow people to evaluate things like whether that culture has rules about unwanted attention, or whether it’s generally considered desirable. For example, the traditional Hawaiian culture certainly had a very different attitude about nudity but they also focused their sexuality on mutual pleasure, not to mention having an absolute monarchy with the death penalty for things like women eating pork - cross-cultural comparisons are always a mixed bag like that.
- acdha 3y ago
  It’s not just “Western Puritanism” to recognize that a photo of genitalia usually has a sexual context – the point of cropping it so tightly is to focus on that aspect! – but it’s also distracting from the real reason this is a crime: a convicted sex offender did it, by his own admission, with intent to cause distress to an unwilling participant. No matter how body positive you are, lack of consent to be part of someone else’s sexual gratification matters a lot. Even if the images were totally non-sexual in purpose - say pathology case studies in a medical textbook – consent still matters and you don’t go shoving them in other people’s faces without asking first. You’ve been conspicuously non-specific about the other cultures you’re claiming would be okay with this, perhaps you could give an example and explain why it’s better?
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userbinator 3y ago

sends a child pictures with the intent of forcing them to think about him sexually That's entirely the result of a cultural construct. about why your first instinct is to defend the guy Trying to turn this into an "us vs. them" situation? I was just pointing out the huge cultural differences that exist in the world beyond Western puritanism.

DontchaKnowit 3y ago
So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures? I'll keep my western puritanism, thanks.
- defrost 3y ago
  > So you think sending dick pics to a 15 year old is chill in other cultures? Not what they said. The suggestion was that they'd laugh, make a joke about stupid men, tell them to put their dick away. The most probable response to a real life flasher in this part of the world would be a little finger wiggle and the expression "ahh, winyarn" with a lot of mocking laughter. Needless to say, not very many actual flashers .. but you can see plenty of near and fully naked men (and women) briefly changing in and out of wetsuits down the car park at the beach. There's more on show at the various nudist beaches. You keep your puritanism by all means, it's no skin off my western nose.
  - krisoft 3y ago
    I’m very curious if you have heard about the murder of Sarah Everard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Everard Her murderer, Wayne Couzens, had on multiple occasions “flashed” various women before kidnapping and murdering her. These prior offenses were reported to the police but the police failed to investigate them properly. If they would have they would have recognised the escalating trend in his behaviour and perhaps could have prevented her death. While I’m not saying that every flasher will “graduate” to become a murderer, this is the context this crime is viewed today in the UK. In some purely academic sense you are right. What displaying any body part means is culturaly coded. It could mean anything. But in the context of the relevant culture sending someone a dick-pick like this is clearly about power, and forcing one’s self on someone against their will.
    - defrost 3y ago
      No, I haven't. In the context of a thread branch stemming from: "huge cultural differences that exist in the world" it's not clear how the evolution of a London flasher to murderer relates to sub tropical girls laughing off idiots that walk about with their dicks out. Given specific cultural attitudes in the UK, in Saudi Arabia, in India, one could posit several different behaviours that might be expressed and evolve from fetish to committing murder. The interesting question is how this occurs and what attitudes might prevent this.
      - acdha 3y ago
        Part of the problem with the cultural differences claim is that it’s only mentioned enough to function as an excuse. Even a single culture mentioned specifically would allow people to evaluate things like whether that culture has rules about unwanted attention, or whether it’s generally considered desirable. For example, the traditional Hawaiian culture certainly had a very different attitude about nudity but they also focused their sexuality on mutual pleasure, not to mention having an absolute monarchy with the death penalty for things like women eating pork - cross-cultural comparisons are always a mixed bag like that.
acdha 3y ago
It’s not just “Western Puritanism” to recognize that a photo of genitalia usually has a sexual context – the point of cropping it so tightly is to focus on that aspect! – but it’s also distracting from the real reason this is a crime: a convicted sex offender did it, by his own admission, with intent to cause distress to an unwilling participant. No matter how body positive you are, lack of consent to be part of someone else’s sexual gratification matters a lot. Even if the images were totally non-sexual in purpose - say pathology case studies in a medical textbook – consent still matters and you don’t go shoving them in other people’s faces without asking first. You’ve been conspicuously non-specific about the other cultures you’re claiming would be okay with this, perhaps you could give an example and explain why it’s better?
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