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From the ToS ( https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/site_terms https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/site_terms ): "you give Red Hat a perpetual, irrevocabl

by T-A 15y ago

From the ToS ( https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/site_terms https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/site_terms ): "you give Red Hat a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through the web site" That makes me a little nervous.

azundo 15y ago
Here is the clause from the OpenShift Preview Services ToS (not the site terms): https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/services_agreement https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/services_agreement 3.3. Your License to Red Hat. You hereby grant to Red Hat a non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty free license to use Your trademarks, trade names and logos in connection with publicizing the Preview Services and communicating with analysts, customers or the press about the Preview Services. Your further grant to Red Hat, and any third party service provider on whose services Red Hat may depend to provide the Preview Services, a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty-free license to make, use, reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute, perform and display Content for the purpose of providing the Preview Services. Except as set forth in this Section, Red Hat obtains no rights in Content under this Agreement.
- vsarathy 15y ago
  Thanks for posting the entire clause. Let me just comment as a Red Hat/OpenShift employee with some insight into the business intent behind the legal language. As you can see from the complete clause that includes "...for the purpose of providing the Preview Services", the license to your content that you grant to Red Hat is really to allow Red Hat to provide the Service. Also the last sentence i.e. "Except as set forth in this Section, Red Hat obtains no rights in Content under this Agreement." should make it clear that there is no other interest in the users content.
  - farazmasoodkhan 15y ago
    I am really confusing by following term and conditions Rights in Content: By displaying, publishing and making available for download and use by others any content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials ("Content") you give Red Hat a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through the web site. You agree that this license includes a right for Red Hat to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Red Hat has relationships for the provision of services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services. You understand that Red Hat may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Red Hat to take these actions. You confirm and warrant to Red Hat that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.
eli 15y ago
Oy, not this again. I agree that could be written better, but it's not all that different from Heroku: "...you give Heroku a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such Application for the sole purpose of enabling Heroku to provide you with the Heroku Services."
- bergie 15y ago
  That "for the sole purpose of enabling Heroku to provide you with the Heroku Services" makes quite a difference.
  - eli 15y ago
    I agree that they should clarify the ToS.... but if you don't trust them, then you shouldn't use them no matter what the ToS says.
    - nroach 15y ago
      It's not a question of trust, necessarily. The Heroku TOS uses your IP to provide and serve your app. The Redhat TOS allows them to use your app (without further notice or consent) and your logo, name, and trademarks in their advertising of the service. While in many instances, that's not a bad thing, not everyone wants publicity for a test/private/pre-release app they test on the Openshift service.
  - mhurron 15y ago
    > for the purpose of providing the Preview Services Is it really that different?
pja 15y ago
Those are the terms of use for the website, not the OpenShift service aren't they?
brown9-2 15y ago
Isn't this standard boilerplate for ToS for these types of services? They need a "license" from you that covers deploying your software to as many servers as necessary, wherever in the world they host the platform.
- TheSteve0 15y ago
  you got it - that is why we have these terms - nothing more nefarious than that

by T-A 15y ago

azundo 15y ago

Here is the clause from the OpenShift Preview Services ToS (not the site terms): https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/services_agreement https://openshift.redhat.com/app/legal/services_agreement 3.3. Your License to Red Hat. You hereby grant to Red Hat a non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty free license to use Your trademarks, trade names and logos in connection with publicizing the Preview Services and communicating with analysts, customers or the press about the Preview Services. Your further grant to Red Hat, and any third party service provider on whose services Red Hat may depend to provide the Preview Services, a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, non-transferable, royalty-free license to make, use, reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute, perform and display Content for the purpose of providing the Preview Services. Except as set forth in this Section, Red Hat obtains no rights in Content under this Agreement.

vsarathy 15y ago
Thanks for posting the entire clause. Let me just comment as a Red Hat/OpenShift employee with some insight into the business intent behind the legal language. As you can see from the complete clause that includes "...for the purpose of providing the Preview Services", the license to your content that you grant to Red Hat is really to allow Red Hat to provide the Service. Also the last sentence i.e. "Except as set forth in this Section, Red Hat obtains no rights in Content under this Agreement." should make it clear that there is no other interest in the users content.
- farazmasoodkhan 15y ago
  I am really confusing by following term and conditions Rights in Content: By displaying, publishing and making available for download and use by others any content, messages, text, files, images, photos, video, sounds, profiles, works of authorship, or any other materials ("Content") you give Red Hat a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through the web site. You agree that this license includes a right for Red Hat to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Red Hat has relationships for the provision of services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services. You understand that Red Hat may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Red Hat to take these actions. You confirm and warrant to Red Hat that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.

eli 15y ago

Oy, not this again. I agree that could be written better, but it's not all that different from Heroku: "...you give Heroku a worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such Application for the sole purpose of enabling Heroku to provide you with the Heroku Services."

bergie 15y ago
That "for the sole purpose of enabling Heroku to provide you with the Heroku Services" makes quite a difference.
- eli 15y ago
  I agree that they should clarify the ToS.... but if you don't trust them, then you shouldn't use them no matter what the ToS says.
  - nroach 15y ago
    It's not a question of trust, necessarily. The Heroku TOS uses your IP to provide and serve your app. The Redhat TOS allows them to use your app (without further notice or consent) and your logo, name, and trademarks in their advertising of the service. While in many instances, that's not a bad thing, not everyone wants publicity for a test/private/pre-release app they test on the Openshift service.
- mhurron 15y ago
  > for the purpose of providing the Preview Services Is it really that different?

pja 15y ago

Those are the terms of use for the website, not the OpenShift service aren't they?

brown9-2 15y ago

Isn't this standard boilerplate for ToS for these types of services? They need a "license" from you that covers deploying your software to as many servers as necessary, wherever in the world they host the platform.

TheSteve0 15y ago
you got it - that is why we have these terms - nothing more nefarious than that