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Also "the standard way to get rich"... It's much easier to get rich by getting hired at a FAANG than starting your own company. You only get rich by starting y

Also "the standard way to get rich"... It's much easier to get rich by getting hired at a FAANG than starting your own company. You only get rich by starting your own company if you win the startup lottery. Otherwise you're better off getting a high paid job.

jjackson5324 3y ago
That depends entirely on your definition of rich. PG's definition of rich is probably 100x what yours is.
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- eloisant 3y ago
  My point is that the probability of getting that rich is really low. You need to combine hard work with incredible luck. A very few percentage will get 100x richer than a FAANG engineer. A typical founder, 10 years in, is less rich than he could have been if he had taken a high paid tech job. But anyway, PG is saying the same thing he's been saying for years. He wants people to launch startups, and he wants them to shoot for the moon with VC money. He has no interest in bootstrapped companies. Because he's a VC, so he's talking in his own interest first and foremost.
  - jjackson5324 3y ago
    I agree with you, but PG’s definition of rich in the article is people worth $10 billion dollars plus. I don’t think he’s being malicious. I think he genuinely just doesnt see a $5-10m NW as rich.
joshuahutt 3y ago
There are very different definitions of "rich." Take the old comparison between Gates and Jordan. "If Jordan saves 100% of his income for the next 450 years, he'll still have less than Bill Gates has today." You can become wealthy and comfortable working for a salary. But, the canonical way to get "FU money" is to win the lottery.
- bombcar 3y ago
  It's all about managing yourself and expectations. Can a janitor save enough money to rival Gates? No. Not even close. But the same janitor could save enough money to have "FU money" later in life, and only continue working as a janitor if he chose to do so.
  - beedeebeedee 3y ago
    > But the same janitor could save enough money to have "FU money" later in life, and only continue working as a janitor if he chose to do so. That is exceedingly doubtful
    - brigadier132 3y ago
      I agree, and the reason is housing. If housing in this country wasn't fucked up I think it would be possible. As of now, to do this as a janitor you would need to live with roommates or family. You would also need to avoid smoking, alcohol, gambling, and any other money sinks. Then you would need to invest all your savings for years.
      - bombcar 3y ago
        Housing cost is the single defining factor in retirability now and if you're a janitor, you seriously need to consider where you are living, because moving from a VHCOL state to a lower one could be all you need. Sure the pay is lower, but the housing costs are substantially lower.
  - joshuahutt 3y ago
    I would love to do the math on this. The average Janitor I salary in the United States is $34,623 as of February 26, 2024. Average home price in the United States: $417,700. Monthly payment for 30-year mortgage is $2,950. Monthly gross pay is $34,623 / 12 = $2885.25... Hm...it's literally not doable.

jjackson5324 3y ago

That depends entirely on your definition of rich. PG's definition of rich is probably 100x what yours is.

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eloisant 3y ago
My point is that the probability of getting that rich is really low. You need to combine hard work with incredible luck. A very few percentage will get 100x richer than a FAANG engineer. A typical founder, 10 years in, is less rich than he could have been if he had taken a high paid tech job. But anyway, PG is saying the same thing he's been saying for years. He wants people to launch startups, and he wants them to shoot for the moon with VC money. He has no interest in bootstrapped companies. Because he's a VC, so he's talking in his own interest first and foremost.
- jjackson5324 3y ago
  I agree with you, but PG’s definition of rich in the article is people worth $10 billion dollars plus. I don’t think he’s being malicious. I think he genuinely just doesnt see a $5-10m NW as rich.

joshuahutt 3y ago

There are very different definitions of "rich." Take the old comparison between Gates and Jordan. "If Jordan saves 100% of his income for the next 450 years, he'll still have less than Bill Gates has today." You can become wealthy and comfortable working for a salary. But, the canonical way to get "FU money" is to win the lottery.

bombcar 3y ago
It's all about managing yourself and expectations. Can a janitor save enough money to rival Gates? No. Not even close. But the same janitor could save enough money to have "FU money" later in life, and only continue working as a janitor if he chose to do so.
- beedeebeedee 3y ago
  > But the same janitor could save enough money to have "FU money" later in life, and only continue working as a janitor if he chose to do so. That is exceedingly doubtful
  - brigadier132 3y ago
    I agree, and the reason is housing. If housing in this country wasn't fucked up I think it would be possible. As of now, to do this as a janitor you would need to live with roommates or family. You would also need to avoid smoking, alcohol, gambling, and any other money sinks. Then you would need to invest all your savings for years.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Housing cost is the single defining factor in retirability now and if you're a janitor, you seriously need to consider where you are living, because moving from a VHCOL state to a lower one could be all you need. Sure the pay is lower, but the housing costs are substantially lower.
- joshuahutt 3y ago
  I would love to do the math on this. The average Janitor I salary in the United States is $34,623 as of February 26, 2024. Average home price in the United States: $417,700. Monthly payment for 30-year mortgage is $2,950. Monthly gross pay is $34,623 / 12 = $2885.25... Hm...it's literally not doable.