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Your response doesn’t make any new claims or derive any new principles, you’re simply regurgitating capitalist propaganda. In fact this trope about the “stone

Your response doesn’t make any new claims or derive any new principles, you’re simply regurgitating capitalist propaganda. In fact this trope about the “stone age” tells me you have a eurocentric idea of the history of humanity - eg: “people are fundamentally selfish, things were bad, then society developed and now things are better” Which is just a totally fabricated history All your questions will be answered by reading, chapter 4 of Prudhon “What is property?” Except in extremely rare cases, hoards of wealth come from inequitable deals - that is, someone chooses a bad deal for themselves under duress If you want things to be better than the stone ages then stop acting like “might makes right” is an ethical position, its “stone age” philosophy that needs to end https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen#toc18 https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudh...

AnimalMuppet 3y ago
> All your questions will be answered by reading, chapter 4 of Prudhon “What is property?” Here's one question that it won't answer: Why should I believe Proudhon? Sure, he may sound correct. Lots of other people sound correct, too. What is your basis for saying that I should listen to Proudhon rather than all these other people? > If you want things to be better than the stone ages then stop acting like “might makes right” is an ethical position, its “stone age” philosophy that needs to end I did not advocate that as an ethical position - you're imputing that to me. I deny you the right to tell me what my ethical position is. And you should stop trying, not just because you don't have the right, but also because you're lousy at it. I'm done with the conversation, since you seem quite clearly to be uninterested in listening. I will leave you the last word if you want it.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  >What is your basis for saying that I should listen to Proudhon rather than all these other people? My suggestion is to read them all and come to your own conclusions
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    I said I was done with the conversation, but: Good answer. Credit where due.
syklep 3y ago
> “people are fundamentally selfish, People ARE fundamentally selfish in any groups above 150-200 where the social net breaks down. Most groups of animals don't stay group-serving in giant groups, we are no different.[1] In groups small enough to be inside the social net, tribe survival dynamics work great. > things were bad, then society developed and now things are better” Things are not great. Technology makes them better though. Man can't easily escape technology today, but it is the fundamental trade-off society offers at the cost of social health. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociality#Eusociality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociality#Eusociality

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

> All your questions will be answered by reading, chapter 4 of Prudhon “What is property?” Here's one question that it won't answer: Why should I believe Proudhon? Sure, he may sound correct. Lots of other people sound correct, too. What is your basis for saying that I should listen to Proudhon rather than all these other people? > If you want things to be better than the stone ages then stop acting like “might makes right” is an ethical position, its “stone age” philosophy that needs to end I did not advocate that as an ethical position - you're imputing that to me. I deny you the right to tell me what my ethical position is. And you should stop trying, not just because you don't have the right, but also because you're lousy at it. I'm done with the conversation, since you seem quite clearly to be uninterested in listening. I will leave you the last word if you want it.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
>What is your basis for saying that I should listen to Proudhon rather than all these other people? My suggestion is to read them all and come to your own conclusions
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  I said I was done with the conversation, but: Good answer. Credit where due.

syklep 3y ago

> “people are fundamentally selfish, People ARE fundamentally selfish in any groups above 150-200 where the social net breaks down. Most groups of animals don't stay group-serving in giant groups, we are no different.[1] In groups small enough to be inside the social net, tribe survival dynamics work great. > things were bad, then society developed and now things are better” Things are not great. Technology makes them better though. Man can't easily escape technology today, but it is the fundamental trade-off society offers at the cost of social health. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociality#Eusociality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociality#Eusociality